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Old 13 February 2018, 12:03 PM   #1
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A guy who joined TRF in Jan this year posted 40 times, said he’d had enough and was leaving the forum.
Then the whole thread gets deleted (I think).
I think members of the forum should have an explanation, should they want one.
I would like one. So could a moderator please provide one.
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Old 13 February 2018, 12:09 PM   #2
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Old 13 February 2018, 12:12 PM   #3
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Who’s the “guy”?
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Old 13 February 2018, 12:14 PM   #4
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Who’s the “guy”?
Can’t remember, but one of the posts called him a dealer (I think).
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Old 13 February 2018, 12:18 PM   #5
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An explanation for what? .. Why he left or why the thread was deleted?
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Old 13 February 2018, 12:18 PM   #6
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I’m not familiar with the member that you’re referring to, I can’t give you an explanation without a username.
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Old 13 February 2018, 12:27 PM   #7
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I can’t remember his name, someone posted a bye bye video as a response.
I think the op was talking about dealerships and grays.
Sorry to be so vague.
There was nothing controversial up to my post, but perhaps things got a bit crazy after that.
I’m not saying moderators shouldn’t have deleted the thread, just that transparency is paramount, and if a member wants to know the reason of deletion, he has a right.
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Old 13 February 2018, 12:29 PM   #8
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I can’t remember his name, someone posted a bye bye video as a response.
I think the op was talking about dealerships and grays.
Sorry to be so vague.
There was nothing controversial up to my post, but perhaps things got a bit crazy after that.
I’m not saying moderators shouldn’t have deleted the thread, just that transparency is paramount, and if a member wants to know the reason of deletion, he has a right.
Why does a person have these “rights”? It’s a private forum.
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Old 13 February 2018, 12:30 PM   #9
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I remember the thread. Guy posted some serious pictures. Really high end stuff. I’m not sure I ever understood what he was so unhappy about. I think he mentioned some friends being banned or something right? Maybe on the PP forum?

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Old 13 February 2018, 12:32 PM   #10
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Once again without a username I’m not familiar with the member. As far as the thread being removed, different moderators each have different opinions of what is and isn’t over the line as far as being controversial and what necessitates removal and what doesn’t.
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Old 13 February 2018, 12:33 PM   #11
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, and if a member wants to know the reason of deletion, he has a right.
Au contraire. I have to disagree with you there. I like information as much as the next guy. However, "rights" are specific things that are inherent to specific situations. This board is not public space on which we have rights to free speech or anything else. The owners of this forum allow us to be here to talk watches and they can limit and remove that right at any time for any reason.
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Old 13 February 2018, 12:34 PM   #12
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If a thread gets deleted, that's it. Gone. There's no public place where deleted threads are listed or explained.
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Old 13 February 2018, 12:58 PM   #13
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I remember this thought it was a weird post so I looked back. The guy was Bryant parks it’s not deleted just like 45 pages back
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Old 13 February 2018, 01:11 PM   #14
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I remember this thought it was a weird post so I looked back. The guy was Bryant parks it’s not deleted just like 45 pages back
Not sure if OP means Bryant Park. He joined in August, not January.

He announced that he was going to "cease participating for a prolonged period". Which turned out to be less than a month.
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Old 13 February 2018, 01:14 PM   #15
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Who is SamP and does he have access to all the secret pledge membership stuff?
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Old 13 February 2018, 01:25 PM   #16
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The Forum does not discuss members who leave or are banned; why would a member believe that he has a right to this information?

Don't know who this situation is referring to, but if a member makes a public statement about leaving, we are more than happy to expedite the action if it is warranted.
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Old 13 February 2018, 01:46 PM   #17
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[QUOTE=Tools;8276821]The Forum does not discuss members who leave or are banned; why would a member believe that he has a right to this information?

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Old 13 February 2018, 01:53 PM   #18
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Nothing against the OP .. But this kind of reminds me of a conversation earlier in the lobby of my eye doctor's office .. Another patient I know from the office brought up a topic about information and how much information the public have a right to know about another person.

I am personally of the belief that people are only entitled to know what I'm willing to tell them and nothing more. The topic came up because another patient, someone I never met before wanted to know what dealership my car came from and how I was able to own it at my age. I didn't tell him, and he didn't see the big deal.

I know this is off track but the principal is the same. As members of TRF we are not entitled to know why a person is banned or why a topic is deleted unless the Owner or the Mods decide to tell us as a courtesy.
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Old 13 February 2018, 01:59 PM   #19
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I know this is off track but the principal is the same. As members of TRF we are not entitled to know why a person is banned or why a topic is deleted unless the Owner or the Mods decide to tell us as a courtesy.
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Old 13 February 2018, 07:14 PM   #20
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Why does a person have these “rights”? It’s a private forum.
A person has these “Rights”, because injustice is fought when people lookout for each other.
Think along the lines of Joan of Arc, Schindler, Ghandi or Mother Terasa. I’m certainly not that pious a person, but I do like to stand up for others when I can. However in this situation, I do not know if the op needed standing up for or not. Indeed he may have been a very naughty boy,
That means when i’ve been part of a thread that showed no signs of being innocuous, that is deleted, I want to know why.
However, I am in no doubt that the modulators deleted the thread for the good of the forum, but still.
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Old 13 February 2018, 07:24 PM   #21
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It was such a stupid thread and should have been deleted when he posted it before anyone even replied to it.

I didn't reply because I knew it would be gone in minutes.
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Old 13 February 2018, 07:27 PM   #22
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Au contraire. I have to disagree with you there. I like information as much as the next guy. However, "rights" are specific things that are inherent to specific situations. This board is not public space on which we have rights to free speech or anything else. The owners of this forum allow us to be here to talk watches and they can limit and remove that right at any time for any reason.
That’s fine to disagree with me, after all the First Amendment states freedom of speech and I don’t think watch forums are covered by exceptions to the First Amendment and there are indeed some.
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Old 13 February 2018, 07:35 PM   #23
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It was such a stupid thread and should have been deleted when he posted it before anyone even replied to it.

I didn't reply because I knew it would be gone in minutes.
A long time ago I made a thread about something, and it was locked fairly soon after making it. I was fairly new to TRF at the time, ad at first I didn't understand why the thread was locked, but someone told me in private, and I understood.

I've been here for 7.5 years, and the forum was around before I arrived, and it will be here long after I'm gone and in the ground. There is a reason it has been around for so long. That reason is because the Mods believe in constant vigilance.

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That’s fine to disagree with me, after all the First Amendment states freedom of speech and I don’t think watch forums are covered by exceptions to the First Amendment and there are indeed some.
You are applying the US Constitution to a private worldwide forum run out of Australia while you live in London. One word: Brilliant!
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My personal life experience tells me to mind my own business. In my time on the TRF, I have seen and read posts that were removed and seen members get themselves removed. The Moderators here do an exceptional job at staying on top of the posts. Very seldom do I see a long term member have an issue because if you spend the time here you understand the rules. Many times, I read posts from new members and realize the subtle manner many members get the point across is lost on them. Most go away, some learn and stay. Still a great place to be.

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Old 13 February 2018, 10:39 PM   #28
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i agree with the mods as they don't owe explanations. Sometimes they do give them as some banning/thread removals are helpful to know what happened as its beneficial to the community. So someone else does not make the same mistake or to know what happened to a particular member since the individual banning post is often removed so a post search cant determine what happened.

I can think of many examples where the mods extended the courtesy to give context as to what happened. Sometimes its not worth the explanation though and we don't get one. Fair enough.
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Old 13 February 2018, 10:44 PM   #29
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That’s fine to disagree with me, after all the First Amendment states freedom of speech and I don’t think watch forums are covered by exceptions to the First Amendment and there are indeed some.
freedom of speech in the first amendment means you cant get arrested for your opinion or the government cant restrict it by passing laws limiting it. It does not mean your employer cant restrict your speech because they can or that a forum has to allow your speech. First amendment specifically covers what the government cant do not a non governmental entity. Its protection from the government, not TRF.
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