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11 December 2018, 01:08 AM | #31 | |
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Interesting, a lot of people got this one wrong! Glad you took your own steps to verify it Adam
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24 January 2019, 07:29 PM | #33 |
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fascinating thread in that we got the speculation of several well experienced members and then the umpire's ruling.
it almost looks fifty fathoms-esque to me. these curved acrylic crystals add so much character to the watch relative to flat sapphire. |
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Nice call Adam.
When considering the work you do on TRF I was disappointed in some members comments in that ’other thread’.
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which other thread ?
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The thread where Adam says New York has been flooded with genuine movements in fake cases.
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=651205 Adam is wrong a lot when he gets out of his lane. And his lane is narrower than many of the trusted experts that hang out in this forum. |
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25 January 2019, 12:08 AM | #38 |
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25 January 2019, 12:31 AM | #40 |
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. . . Hmmm . . .
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Look, the majority of he people in the Watchout section are here to do the right thing, this includes Adam. Let's not lose site of why the section is here. People come here to get quality information, that can lead to people possibly making mistakes before a purchase. Everyone should keep up the good work and help everyone out. Like Adam did in this thread.
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I responded (correctly) to OP weeks ago, and show no further interest. I am not surprised you removed your post, as once again it was "incorrect and unfair" A
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25 January 2019, 12:42 AM | #43 | |
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The comments in the "other" thread will come back and 'bight a few people on the bottom' - as this thread did Counterfeits with genuine movements are there. Is it a "flood"? - no maybe not, but our stores have seen at least 6 Watch CSA - have seen enough to issue a warning AND A number of jewellers on 47th st have been caught. You can believe me or not. Its NO loss to me Thanks your comment A
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25 January 2019, 05:16 AM | #44 | |
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You are already clawing back your claims from the other thread. There isn’t a flood of genuine movements in fake cases. Just a few localized instances in NYC. Your responses on the other thread to the scrutiny of your unsubstantiated claims by some genuine experts were rude and immature. You do some good things here, but you also comment on things outside your expertise. Bad information is not helpful to anyone, even when well intentioned. |
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25 January 2019, 10:31 AM | #45 |
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No. You are simply taking the OP (a new member) at his word. The dial on the OP watch is fake. Plenty of tells if you know what you are looking at.
Not to mention, the SN is a bit too early for a serif dial anyway. Plenty of other issues with it besides the dial, IMO. |
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Not really...
Why are you disappointed in members for calling out potential/probable BS when it surfaces? |
25 January 2019, 10:54 AM | #47 |
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Well I can not beat that.
First Jason thinks "directioneng" is me or my partner in crime Then Eric thinks the OP made his response up - probably to make me feel good I am truly out of this thread. I came to give a simple warning to all that "100% genuine" movement were appearing in fake watches. I personally had seen 5 or 6 and also WATCH CSA had also issued a warning release. OK, and if you want I take back the words "flooded" but 5 or 6 in just our shops + 47th street casualties + CSA seemed a lot to me. Interestingly I just see CSA also issued this on their Forum JEWELERS AND PAWNBROKERS IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA TO SCOTTSDALE, AZ ARE GETTING HIT WITH THE BEST FAKE ROLEX "HULK" SUB TO DATE. DETAILS: FAKE 116610 CASE WITH ORIGINAL 3135 CALIBER MOVEMENT Counterfeiters are using a real 3135 movement. So there you go. Maybe its only 10 Pieces, maybe its 100 Pcs, maybe its 1000Pcs - but when you get hit it will seem like a "FLOOD" Sorry and really I got no more to add Adam
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Should be banned for linking to a replica website.
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If you would like to discuss the reasons why (in addition to what I already described above), I'd be happy to. The watch has other issues as well. Quote:
I think the questions I and others raised are valid. The logistics and expense of sourcing genuine new 3135 movements and retrofitting them into counterfeit cases doesn't make sense on any significant scale. Not to mention, a genuine new 3135 is prohibitively expensive, and will not just "drop in" to a counterfeit case that was designed for an Eta/Eta clone, or even a 3135 cloned movement. It would require modification/spacers, which would be readily apparent as soon as you opened the case. So, how about just showing ONE of the 5 or 6 you've seen/documented? You are claiming to have first-hand, real-world exposure to these pieces, and also stated that you took pics. There is really no reason not to share. It would kill several birds with one stone (including strengthening your credibility). I would genuinely be interested in seeing them if they exist. Quote:
Their prime directive is to sell authentication services, and putting out fear-mongering propaganda helps fatten their bottom line. Sort of like a home-security salesman that informs you of the many "recent break-ins in your area", lol. Also, their sources for information are primarily pawnbrokers, not AD's, RSC's, or even qualified watchmakers in most cases. I'd wager that most pawnbrokers who see a recent 3135 clone would think it's a genuine Rolex movement. If these folks had experienced/qualified watchmakers on staff, they wouldn't need an "authentication service" to begin with. |
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