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Old 11 December 2018, 01:08 AM   #31
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Hi everybody,
Thanks a lot for your replies.
We sent the watch to Rolex, they confirmed that the watch is genuine, they actually confirmed that they serviced the watch back in 2015. They replaced the crystal, serviced and did a touchup of the case per owners request. The owner paid $550 for the service. They said it was an earlier model of the movement. The watch was sold already.
It was extremely weird to have a watch in such a good condition and we thought that the watch is fake. Theowner got offended and he offered to pay for Rolex service and inspection. He had the papers from 2015 also.
Thanks a lot everyone for your time, definitely was an interested one.
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Interesting, a lot of people got this one wrong!
Glad you took your own steps to verify it
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Old 11 December 2018, 09:58 AM   #32
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Hi everybody,
Thanks a lot for your replies.
We sent the watch to Rolex, they confirmed that the watch is genuine, they actually confirmed that they serviced the watch back in 2015. They replaced the crystal, serviced and did a touchup of the case per owners request. The owner paid $550 for the service. They said it was an earlier model of the movement. The watch was sold already.
It was extremely weird to have a watch in such a good condition and we thought that the watch is fake. Theowner got offended and he offered to pay for Rolex service and inspection. He had the papers from 2015 also.
Thanks a lot everyone for your time, definitely was an interested one.
Wow, never seen inner caseback stamps like that. Guess there must have been quite some variation there. Most posts here are pretty easy but this was a good... case study in authenticity. I'll see myself out.
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Old 24 January 2019, 07:29 PM   #33
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fascinating thread in that we got the speculation of several well experienced members and then the umpire's ruling.

it almost looks fifty fathoms-esque to me. these curved acrylic crystals add so much character to the watch relative to flat sapphire.
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Old 24 January 2019, 07:42 PM   #34
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Nice call Adam.

When considering the work you do on TRF I was disappointed in some members comments in that ’other thread’.
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Old 24 January 2019, 10:06 PM   #35
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Nice call Adam.

When considering the work you do on TRF I was disappointed in some members comments in that ’other thread’.
which other thread ?
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Old 24 January 2019, 10:11 PM   #36
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which other thread ?
The thread where Adam says New York has been flooded with genuine movements in fake cases.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=651205


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Nice call Adam.

When considering the work you do on TRF I was disappointed in some members comments in that ’other thread’.
Adam is wrong a lot when he gets out of his lane. And his lane is narrower than many of the trusted experts that hang out in this forum.
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Old 24 January 2019, 10:27 PM   #37
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Old 25 January 2019, 12:08 AM   #38
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Interesting "edit" = removed - Why?
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Old 25 January 2019, 12:30 AM   #39
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Interesting "edit" = removed - Why?
Ok, I was going to let it go and give you the credit. But since you have been hawking this thread all morning, I thought it was very peculiar how it "just" popped up...
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Old 25 January 2019, 12:31 AM   #40
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Old 25 January 2019, 12:34 AM   #41
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Look, the majority of he people in the Watchout section are here to do the right thing, this includes Adam. Let's not lose site of why the section is here. People come here to get quality information, that can lead to people possibly making mistakes before a purchase. Everyone should keep up the good work and help everyone out. Like Adam did in this thread.
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Old 25 January 2019, 12:35 AM   #42
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Ok, I was going to let it go and give you the credit. But since you have been hawking this thread all morning, I thought it was very peculiar how it "just" popped up...
you really have "lost the plot"
I responded (correctly) to OP weeks ago, and show no further interest.
I am not surprised you removed your post, as once again it was "incorrect and unfair"
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Old 25 January 2019, 12:42 AM   #43
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Nice call Adam.

When considering the work you do on TRF I was disappointed in some members comments in that ’other thread’.
Thanks - appreciated and despite Jason belief I "just" saw this post!

The comments in the "other" thread will come back and 'bight a few people on the bottom' - as this thread did

Counterfeits with genuine movements are there. Is it a "flood"? - no maybe not, but our stores have seen at least 6
Watch CSA - have seen enough to issue a warning
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A number of jewellers on 47th st have been caught.

You can believe me or not. Its NO loss to me
Thanks your comment
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Old 25 January 2019, 05:16 AM   #44
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Thanks - appreciated and despite Jason belief I "just" saw this post!

The comments in the "other" thread will come back and 'bight a few people on the bottom' - as this thread did

Counterfeits with genuine movements are there. Is it a "flood"? - no maybe not, but our stores have seen at least 6
Watch CSA - have seen enough to issue a warning
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A number of jewellers on 47th st have been caught.

You can believe me or not. Its NO loss to me
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Jason paid you a complement. Why don’t you just say thanks and move on?

You are already clawing back your claims from the other thread. There isn’t a flood of genuine movements in fake cases. Just a few localized instances in NYC. Your responses on the other thread to the scrutiny of your unsubstantiated claims by some genuine experts were rude and immature.

You do some good things here, but you also comment on things outside your expertise. Bad information is not helpful to anyone, even when well intentioned.
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Old 25 January 2019, 10:31 AM   #45
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Interesting, a lot of people got this one wrong!
No. You are simply taking the OP (a new member) at his word. The dial on the OP watch is fake. Plenty of tells if you know what you are looking at.
Not to mention, the SN is a bit too early for a serif dial anyway. Plenty of other issues with it besides the dial, IMO.
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Old 25 January 2019, 10:33 AM   #46
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Nice call Adam.
Not really...
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When considering the work you do on TRF I was disappointed in some members comments in that ’other thread’.
Why are you disappointed in members for calling out potential/probable BS when it surfaces?
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Old 25 January 2019, 10:54 AM   #47
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Well I can not beat that.
First Jason thinks "directioneng" is me or my partner in crime

Then Eric thinks the OP made his response up - probably to make me feel good

I am truly out of this thread.
I came to give a simple warning to all that "100% genuine" movement were appearing in fake watches.
I personally had seen 5 or 6 and also WATCH CSA had also issued a warning release.

OK, and if you want I take back the words "flooded" but 5 or 6 in just our shops + 47th street casualties + CSA seemed a lot to me.


Interestingly I just see CSA also issued this on their Forum
JEWELERS AND PAWNBROKERS IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA TO SCOTTSDALE, AZ ARE GETTING HIT WITH THE BEST FAKE ROLEX "HULK" SUB TO DATE.

DETAILS: FAKE 116610 CASE WITH ORIGINAL 3135 CALIBER MOVEMENT

Counterfeiters are using a real 3135 movement.


So there you go.
Maybe its only 10 Pieces, maybe its 100 Pcs, maybe its 1000Pcs - but when you get hit it will seem like a "FLOOD"
Sorry and really I got no more to add
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Old 25 January 2019, 11:19 AM   #48
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Old 25 January 2019, 11:49 AM   #49
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Hmmm. You don't say. Very insightful.
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Hmmm. You don't say. Very insightful.
Thought that was a dead pixel or dirt on the screen
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Well I can not beat that.
First Jason thinks "directioneng" is me or my partner in crime

Then Eric thinks the OP made his response up - probably to make me feel good

I am truly out of this thread.
I came to give a simple warning to all that "100% genuine" movement were appearing in fake watches.
I personally had seen 5 or 6 and also WATCH CSA had also issued a warning release.

OK, and if you want I take back the words "flooded" but 5 or 6 in just our shops + 47th street casualties + CSA seemed a lot to me.


Interestingly I just see CSA also issued this on their Forum
JEWELERS AND PAWNBROKERS IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA TO SCOTTSDALE, AZ ARE GETTING HIT WITH THE BEST FAKE ROLEX "HULK" SUB TO DATE.

DETAILS: FAKE 116610 CASE WITH ORIGINAL 3135 CALIBER MOVEMENT

Counterfeiters are using a real 3135 movement.


So there you go.
Maybe its only 10 Pieces, maybe its 100 Pcs, maybe its 1000Pcs - but when you get hit it will seem like a "FLOOD"
Sorry and really I got no more to add
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Sorry, I have to reply. You are absolutely delusional, I never said Eddie was you or that he was in any way working with you. Yet again you're taking nothing and trying to twist it into a lie. Stop grasping at straws, you look really pathetic....
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The comments in the "other" thread will come back and 'bight a few people on the bottom' - as this thread did
Well, it would appear that your attempt at patting yourself on the back in this thread backfired a bit, and the only person it has come back to "bite on the bottom" so far, would be you.
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Well I can not beat that.
First Jason thinks "directioneng" is me or my partner in crime

Then Eric thinks the OP made his response up - probably to make me feel good
I have no idea what the OP's or anyone else's motives are, but the dial in the OP watch here is fake.
If you would like to discuss the reasons why (in addition to what I already described above), I'd be happy to. The watch has other issues as well.
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OK, and if you want I take back the words "flooded" but 5 or 6 in just our shops + 47th street casualties + CSA seemed a lot to me.
I agree, if true. However, the fact remains that it's a rather bold claim with ZERO evidence so far to back it up.

I think the questions I and others raised are valid. The logistics and expense of sourcing genuine new 3135 movements and retrofitting them into counterfeit cases doesn't make sense on any significant scale.
Not to mention, a genuine new 3135 is prohibitively expensive, and will not just "drop in" to a counterfeit case that was designed for an Eta/Eta clone, or even a 3135 cloned movement.
It would require modification/spacers, which would be readily apparent as soon as you opened the case.

So, how about just showing ONE of the 5 or 6 you've seen/documented?
You are claiming to have first-hand, real-world exposure to these pieces, and also stated that you took pics.
There is really no reason not to share. It would kill several birds with one stone (including strengthening your credibility).
I would genuinely be interested in seeing them if they exist.
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Interestingly I just see CSA also issued this on their Forum
JEWELERS AND PAWNBROKERS IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA TO SCOTTSDALE, AZ ARE GETTING HIT WITH THE BEST FAKE ROLEX "HULK" SUB TO DATE.

DETAILS: FAKE 116610 CASE WITH ORIGINAL 3135 CALIBER MOVEMENT

Counterfeiters are using a real 3135 movement.
I could be wrong, but I don't think many here really care or give any weight/credence to what "CSA" thinks or says.
Their prime directive is to sell authentication services, and putting out fear-mongering propaganda helps fatten their bottom line.
Sort of like a home-security salesman that informs you of the many "recent break-ins in your area", lol.

Also, their sources for information are primarily pawnbrokers, not AD's, RSC's, or even qualified watchmakers in most cases.
I'd wager that most pawnbrokers who see a recent 3135 clone would think it's a genuine Rolex movement.
If these folks had experienced/qualified watchmakers on staff, they wouldn't need an "authentication service" to begin with.

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Should be banned for linking to a replica website.
Care to be more specific?
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