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blindpilot · 3 January 2019, 02:09 AM

I’m struggling with deciding whether to get a 5711 or a 5167 and a Rolex Explorer II. This will be my first PP. I like both these PP and will eventually own both but I only budgeted $30K this year for watches. I am not a flipper and don’t plan on divesting any of what I currently have (Rolex DJ 36, Rolex DJ 41, Rolex GMT 2, JLC Ultra Thin Moon, Reverso Tribute, GO Panomatic Reserve and a Panerai).

I have a very good relationship with my local AD (bought about a dozen watches over the years) and I am currently on a list for both 5711 and 5167. I was told I can reasonably expect to be offered these models within 4-6 months.

What would you do?

Edit: Thread title says 5712 but I actually meant 5711. Sorry for the typo.

RHIII · 3 January 2019, 02:14 AM

I’d recommend trying them on (if at all possible) as they wear very differently - especially with it being your first Patek.

Not sure what else is in your collection - but for example Patek and Rolex are VERY different in terms of wear - as is AP.

I usually always say 5711 - because of the history and pedigree - but the tropical strap is fantastic for daily wear as well.

Good luck!

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GK- · 3 January 2019, 02:15 AM

I’d go 5711 given your current assortment of Rolex that you already own. 4-6 months for either is great!

dsk28 · 3 January 2019, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by blindpilot

I’m struggling with deciding whether to get a 5711 or a 5167 and a Rolex Explorer II. This will be my first PP. I like both these PP and will eventually own both but I only budgeted $30K this year for watches. I am not a flipper and don’t plan on divesting any of what I currently have (Rolex DJ 36, Rolex DJ 41, Rolex GMT 2, JLC Ultra Thin Moon, Reverso Tribute, GO Panomatic Reserve and a Panerai).

I have a very good relationship with my local AD (bought about a dozen watches over the years) and I am currently on a list for both 5711 and 5167. I was told I can reasonably expect to be offered these models within 4-6 months.

What would you do?

I see two things that matter:
1. This is going to be your first Patek Philippe
2. You already have an array of watches in your collection

Taking both points into account, I think the 5711 would fit nicely into your collection rather than a 5167 + another Rolex.

Do keep us posted on what you decided in the end!

Steve

JorgeCCW · 3 January 2019, 02:19 AM

5712 no question. That’s the only patek you would need on this market. Of course there are dressy options but since the dress watch is dead, market wise.

5712/1a was my first Patek. Sometimes I think I should of get that watch and stop right there. I got it right the first time , oh well . That’s my advise

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V25V · 3 January 2019, 02:23 AM

5712. But that's gonna cost you more than the 30k you budgeted.

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rolexpatek363 · 3 January 2019, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by JorgeCCW

5712 no question. That’s the only patek you would need on this market. Of course there are dressy options but since the dress watch is dead, market wise.

5712/1a was my first Patek. Sometimes I think I should of get that watch and stop right there. I got it right the first time , oh well . That’s my advise

+1

5712 would make a great "only watch".

GK- · 3 January 2019, 02:36 AM

The subject references the 5712 (which is my favorite Patek within my means) but the body of the post references 5711. Which are you considering? Just curious.

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ap1 · 3 January 2019, 02:37 AM

Yeah he typo in subject sounds like comparison is 5711. Id go that, easy

AK797 · 3 January 2019, 02:38 AM

5712 for sure if that is an option. Otherwise I'd get the 5164 over the 67 and Exp.

uniqueMR · 3 January 2019, 02:39 AM

5712

RHIII · 3 January 2019, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by GK-

The subject references the 5712 (which is my favorite Patek within my means) but the body of the post references 5711. Which are you considering? Just curious.

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I noticed that as well — but if the 5712 is in play — THAT is the answer.

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blindpilot · 3 January 2019, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by GK-

The subject references the 5712 (which is my favorite Patek within my means) but the body of the post references 5711. Which are you considering? Just curious.

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Apology for the typo on thread title. I meant to say 5711.

V25V · 3 January 2019, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by blindpilot

Apology for the typo on thread title. I meant to say 5711.

5711 then, hands down.

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rolexpatek363 · 3 January 2019, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by V25V

5711 then, hands down.

Yep.

Justindo · 3 January 2019, 04:36 AM

5711

wisguy · 3 January 2019, 05:30 AM

You already have a GMT, why buy an Explorer II?

5711 would be my choice, I sold a 5167 to fund mine.

mazizata · 3 January 2019, 05:42 AM

It really depends on your life style. For a more active person, 5167 fits best. Rubber strap is extremely comfortable with less worry about dings, scratched etc.

lord91 · 3 January 2019, 05:44 AM

5711 for sure.

2nastie · 3 January 2019, 05:54 AM

No doubt 5711. Or 5712 if that was the eventual choice.

tyler1980 · 3 January 2019, 06:10 AM

option 3...5164

Its an explorer II AND a 5167

CamSLC · 3 January 2019, 06:39 AM

I own all three, and based on the rest of your collection I would say 5711.

I might wear the 5167 more than the 5711, but the Nautilus is the icon. It's stunning and can be worn with almost anything. If it's not the one for you you will have options.

The Explorer II is a great watch, but can be had at or below MSRP. I don't foresee that changing immensely in the next few years.

wulin · 3 January 2019, 07:18 AM

That is an easy choice:

5711 is worth 50K.

5167 + Explorer is worth 35K...

sensui · 3 January 2019, 07:24 AM

5711 would be my choice.....

Zuger · 3 January 2019, 07:56 AM

Def 5711 especially only 4-6 months wait

nyc2la · 3 January 2019, 08:10 AM

5711 w/out a doubt...

JR16 · 3 January 2019, 08:58 AM

For $30k, 5711. For $6k more, 5164, for $40k 5712. But I would also consider what you want your 2nd patek to be and plan accordingly... for example, if you like the 5712 over the 5711 but also see an aquanaut in your future, then I would get the 5167 now and put the remaining $11k toward the 5712 if you can get on a list.

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mps354 · 3 January 2019, 10:39 AM

I’d go 5711 for sure. I’d skip the 5167+rolex exp 2 and follow up with a 5164

Jareddad · 3 January 2019, 10:50 AM

5711 without a doubt! Then 5164. And that's exactly what I did.

s.m.b. · 3 January 2019, 11:37 AM

I went with the 5167 first, as it's my favorite of the two. Currently waiting for a 5711... And I am actually happy about waiting on account of my love for the blue dial diminishing and my fondness for the white dial growing. At this point, I am feeling like I very well may have a white dial 5711 for the wrist around this time next year.

Of these two, I suggest leaving the extra watch (Rolex) out of it, and simply base the decision on the Patek you want most first.

3 January 2019, 02:09 AM	#1
blindpilot "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Chicago Posts: 92	5712 or 5167 and Explorer II I’m struggling with deciding whether to get a 5711 or a 5167 and a Rolex Explorer II. This will be my first PP. I like both these PP and will eventually own both but I only budgeted $30K this year for watches. I am not a flipper and don’t plan on divesting any of what I currently have (Rolex DJ 36, Rolex DJ 41, Rolex GMT 2, JLC Ultra Thin Moon, Reverso Tribute, GO Panomatic Reserve and a Panerai). I have a very good relationship with my local AD (bought about a dozen watches over the years) and I am currently on a list for both 5711 and 5167. I was told I can reasonably expect to be offered these models within 4-6 months. What would you do? Edit: Thread title says 5712 but I actually meant 5711. Sorry for the typo.

3 January 2019, 02:19 AM	#5
JorgeCCW "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Jorge Location: Ohio, USA Watch: Rolex,Patek and AP Posts: 4,675	5712 no question. That’s the only patek you would need on this market. Of course there are dressy options but since the dress watch is dead, market wise. 5712/1a was my first Patek. Sometimes I think I should of get that watch and stop right there. I got it right the first time , oh well . That’s my advise Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Nothing happens until something moves " Albert Einstein

3 January 2019, 02:39 AM	#11
uniqueMR 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2018 Location: USA Watch: P A T E K Posts: 4,694	5712 __________________ A. Lange & Sohne \| Audemars Piguet \| F.P.Journe \| Omega \| Patek Philippe \| Rolex \| Tudor \| ...and Othersss

3 January 2019, 05:30 AM	#17
wisguy "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Earth Posts: 2,406	You already have a GMT, why buy an Explorer II? 5711 would be my choice, I sold a 5167 to fund mine. __________________ 5230G / 5146G / 124060 / BB58 / '59 Constellation

3 January 2019, 06:10 AM	#21
tyler1980 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Houston Posts: 17,622	option 3...5164 Its an explorer II AND a 5167 __________________ Instagram: tyler.watches current collection: Patek 5164A, Patek 5524G, Rolex Platinum Daytona 116506, Rolex Sea Dweller 43 126600, Rolex GMT II 116710LN, AP 15400ST (silver), Panerai 913, Omega Speedmaster moonwatch, Tudor Black Bay (Harrods Edition)

3 January 2019, 02:14 AM	#2
RHIII Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Real Name: Roger Location: ... Watch: AP/Rolex/PP Posts: 6,309	I’d recommend trying them on (if at all possible) as they wear very differently - especially with it being your first Patek. Not sure what else is in your collection - but for example Patek and Rolex are VERY different in terms of wear - as is AP. I usually always say 5711 - because of the history and pedigree - but the tropical strap is fantastic for daily wear as well. Good luck! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

3 January 2019, 02:15 AM	#3
GK- "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Illinois Posts: 139	I’d go 5711 given your current assortment of Rolex that you already own. 4-6 months for either is great!

3 January 2019, 02:23 AM	#6
V25V 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: USA Posts: 4,340	5712. But that's gonna cost you more than the 30k you budgeted. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

3 January 2019, 02:36 AM	#8
GK- "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Illinois Posts: 139	The subject references the 5712 (which is my favorite Patek within my means) but the body of the post references 5711. Which are you considering? Just curious. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

3 January 2019, 02:37 AM	#9
ap1 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: usa Posts: 19,042	Yeah he typo in subject sounds like comparison is 5711. Id go that, easy

3 January 2019, 02:38 AM	#10
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,230	5712 for sure if that is an option. Otherwise I'd get the 5164 over the 67 and Exp.

3 January 2019, 04:36 AM	#16
Justindo "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: California Posts: 2,176	5711

3 January 2019, 05:42 AM	#18
mazizata "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Dubai Posts: 20	It really depends on your life style. For a more active person, 5167 fits best. Rubber strap is extremely comfortable with less worry about dings, scratched etc.

3 January 2019, 05:44 AM	#19
lord91 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Bucuresti Watch: Submariner Posts: 1,724	5711 for sure.

3 January 2019, 05:54 AM	#20
2nastie "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: YVR Watch: Time Only Posts: 2,332	No doubt 5711. Or 5712 if that was the eventual choice.

3 January 2019, 06:39 AM	#22
CamSLC "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: USA Watch: Rolex & Patek Posts: 1,436	I own all three, and based on the rest of your collection I would say 5711. I might wear the 5167 more than the 5711, but the Nautilus is the icon. It's stunning and can be worn with almost anything. If it's not the one for you you will have options. The Explorer II is a great watch, but can be had at or below MSRP. I don't foresee that changing immensely in the next few years.

3 January 2019, 07:18 AM	#23
wulin "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: California Watch: PP,AP,Rolex,IWC Posts: 578	That is an easy choice: 5711 is worth 50K. 5167 + Explorer is worth 35K...

3 January 2019, 07:24 AM	#24
sensui 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 12,356	5711 would be my choice.....

3 January 2019, 07:56 AM	#25
Zuger "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Real Name: Richard Location: USA Watch: me set the time Posts: 2,518	Def 5711 especially only 4-6 months wait

3 January 2019, 08:10 AM	#26
nyc2la "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Real Name: Stephen Location: Beach Watch: 16660 Posts: 9,176	5711 w/out a doubt... __________________ "Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm." --- RWE

3 January 2019, 08:58 AM	#27
JR16 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: USA Posts: 6,188	For $30k, 5711. For $6k more, 5164, for $40k 5712. But I would also consider what you want your 2nd patek to be and plan accordingly... for example, if you like the 5712 over the 5711 but also see an aquanaut in your future, then I would get the 5167 now and put the remaining $11k toward the 5712 if you can get on a list. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

3 January 2019, 10:39 AM	#28
mps354 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Real Name: Mike Location: CT Posts: 8,972	I’d go 5711 for sure. I’d skip the 5167+rolex exp 2 and follow up with a 5164

3 January 2019, 10:50 AM	#29
Jareddad "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 326	5711 without a doubt! Then 5164. And that's exactly what I did.

3 January 2019, 11:37 AM	#30
s.m.b. "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: the Far West Posts: 1,282	I went with the 5167 first, as it's my favorite of the two. Currently waiting for a 5711... And I am actually happy about waiting on account of my love for the blue dial diminishing and my fondness for the white dial growing. At this point, I am feeling like I very well may have a white dial 5711 for the wrist around this time next year. Of these two, I suggest leaving the extra watch (Rolex) out of it, and simply base the decision on the Patek you want most first. __________________ Rolex & Patek Philippe

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