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One question, OP.
Even if you got a genuine Rolex watch, how do you know if the watch wasn't stolen? When a young kid coming up with a story like that trying to sell an expensive watch, makes me suspect where the watch come from or is fake. |
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Any resolution to this? The movement pics from OP aren’t exactly the sharpest, so what are the tells that are so obvious to people that this is fake?
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Any resolution to this?
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Disregard, double post.
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There is never any guarantee that the watch is or is not stolen. The story he gave is his dad bought it from the original owner and now wants it gone. There was a bill of sale that I had him sign to protect against that possible outcome. But I did not check ID which I should have.
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Why take it to a watch maker. Just take it and have it authenticated by a rolex watchmaker at an AD. I would believe a Rolex AD watchmaker with 5 years experience than someone who isn’t with 15 years IMHO
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Also, I have on multiple occasions walked into Rolex AD and they DO NOT offer any type of authentication services. at least no where in Southern California. No one wants the liability and they will not open the watch for that same reason. |
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Just to compare - you can see the teeth color on the right look worn while the ones on the left are solid! Nice insight.
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Continuing to check markings -- pretty obvious when you compare.
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And the rehaut -- interesting, the 'X' and 'E' are noticeably different sizes and font. The Rolex 'E' is square while the other is rounded. The Rolex 'X' is narrower. Also different spacing.
I guess if you stare at these enough, you start to notice the small subtle details. |
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Quick hand switch. Beware!
Some people on this thread are a bit full of themselves. Of course in hindsight the deal seems fishy, but the OP did almost everything right (taking to to his guy to get authenticated, asking for a bill of sale), but still got scammed because some people are terrible. Everybody thinks they’ll never the the one the gets scammed because they are too street smart or whatever, but I’ve seen it happen to enough people to not be too sure it couldn’t happen to me. Like it would have almost seemed rude and paranoid if I were in the OP’s place to insist that I see the watch at all times— that’s how these scammers operate. Obviously in the future that’s a precaution I’d take.
I’ve bought expensive camera equipment face-to-face and took what I thought was every precaution, and while I was never scammed, if someone were determined enough I could have been (will take lessons from this post); and in hindsight of course I would have ‘seen’ all the red flags (the guy had a dirty sweatshirt, was too young to have a $4,500 camera or whatever). |
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Font on the bezel seems thinner.. first thing I noticed.
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Wow what a crazy story! Tragic because I can imagine sitting at home, admiring my watch, and my brain telling me its authentic because I'd verified it. And yet it wasn't. That sucks OP!! I also wonder if I might've noticed once I got the watch home. For myself, part of enjoying a new watch is taking out my loupe and admiring the watch under magnification. I think I would've been confused had I noticed imperfections that I could've sworn weren't there before.
Also, I've heard of these more expensive replicas. They're generally a couple grand and supposedly take the copying to the next level. As opposed to the street stuff one might find for a hundred bucks. Sorry to hear OP! Glad they found the kid!
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What a nightmare!
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Wow, I learned a new thing today: Fake Rolex movement!
By any chance the watchmaker has mistakenly authenticated this watch as real one at the beginning? |
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The first most obvious thing with the counterfeit fake movements is that they don't have free sprung balances and they have two levers instead of one. We saved a friend about $30,000 in 4 separate possible transactions... He texts us photos and we always want to see the movement... two on Deep-Seas with this fake movement and two on Subs with this fake movement. Also one with a 2824/2836 ETA mvmt... Always look at the balance wheel to be sure it is a free sprung balance. Once you get that aspect down, you will quickly be able to run away from the transaction. By the way, the friend almost bought the Deep Sea from a guy in Fort Collins. Then about a month later, he went up to Fort Collins to a pawn shop to buy a Deep Sea... same problem. Maybe the pawn shop got taken by the original seller. Unless watchmakers are trained to look at the balance, a cursory glance might cause them to believe the movement is genuine. I guess many pawn shops are getting burned by these new fake movements by not being educated about what to look for. Look at the balance first.
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Hello and thank you for the heads up in regards to what has happened to you, Ive read most of what others have said and the following has been going around in my head........... Has the Watch Maker got any CCTV, did you check the sellers I.D. and ask for some proof of ownership? prior to any purchase I always check with Rolex the serial number, some numbers are well know, and finally receipts, I draw one up as a disclaimer just in case its an insurance scam and would ask for proof of address and would photograph his drivers licence...... I understand that some of this can be falsified however it offers up a little damage limitation in the event of something going wrong and would hopefully put of a scammer. |
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Hello and thank you for the heads up in regards to what has happened to you, Ive read most of what others have said and the following has been going around in my head...........
Has the Watch Maker got any CCTV, did you check the sellers I.D. and ask for some proof of ownership? prior to any purchase I always check with Rolex the serial number, some numbers are well know, and finally receipts, I draw one up as a disclaimer just in case its an insurance scam and would ask for proof of address and would photograph his drivers licence...... I understand that some of this can be falsified however it offers up a little damage limitation in the event of something going wrong and would hopefully put of a scammer.[/QUOTE] Hi there. Yes, he had CCTV. Unfortunately they record on loop and erase the previous recording every 60 days. No luck in retrieving the footage. No ID check. The watch did not have box or papers, no way to verify proof of purchase. With regards to the DL being photographed, I as a seller with legitimate authentic goods would not want to give a picture of my license to a stranger, They can buy an authentic watch from me and then use my ID for identity theft which will cost a ton more damage than a fake watch. Not sure many would be willing to do it. |
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Ouch. An obvious clone. Since the layout is correct the things to really worry about are not so obvious clones where all visible main parts are replaced with real ones, and not so visible parts are finished to a higher more Rolex-like standard. Rolex's control of parts availability means this is unlikely to ever be commonplace but it's still a concern of mine that potentially some a-hole could do it, and not being a watchmaker able to inspect/compare parts I'd be pretty screwed.
Nice to know the police are making progress with the OP, btw. ![]()
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just when you think you have heard everything...!
Sorry for the slight of hand, but thank you for notifying us. It is great that we can enlighten fellow members. So many scams... ![]() ![]()
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ok , kept reading , and im still not seeing how it all happened ,, |
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That is the easiest, fastest way to tell that it is a fake movement. It literally only takes a couple of seconds. |
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