Panerai Due line

[rpjp3]

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

Apples and oranges, with the Due being a regular production Luminor (crown guard) available in small (for Panerai) sizes, compared to the 249, which was a limited edition 47mm Radiomir with plexi.



The 249 is a special & beloved Rad along with the 232, while the Due line is, at best, controversial. Go figure.



In the end, buy what you like and don't worry about forums or so-called Paneristi.

I always do Cru, buy what I like that is

I understand the different Panerai product lines. I just happen to find it interesting that one product line with a 30 meter water resistance rating is generally accepted while the other is considered to be controversial, and often that 30 meter spec is identified as the main objection to the line.


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[Cru Jones]

Originally Posted by rpjp3

I always do Cru, buy what I like that is

I understand the different Panerai product lines. I just happen to find it interesting that one product line with a 30 meter water resistance rating is generally accepted while the other is considered to be controversial, and often that 30 meter spec is identified as the main objection to the line.


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Well, the Luminor is the "iconic" Panerai, so, its transformation from a dive watch to more of a fashion piece not meant for swimming is controversial for some. That being said, the Due still is a beautiful watch (the 728 especially!), and it opens the brand up to more people, so that's a positive.

Yes, the Radiomir is the "historic" Panerai, but I don't think it has the same sense of "icon", and, in any event, the 249 was a special one-off homage, not a new line of watches.

[blacke90]

I see that you’re coming around on the California dial

Originally Posted by rpjp3

We all need to be a little crazy sometimes.

Right now I’m actually leaning toward the 448 as I don’t have anything like a California dial. A 721 or 249 would be backup plans. Doing nothing is a possibility as well.

By the way, when researching the California dial models, I learned that the seemingly very popular 249 has the same 30m water rating as as the Due models!

Did the 249 take the same heat for the low water resistance rating as the Due models? I haven’t been around on the forum long enough to know.


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[erik asher]

Originally Posted by rpjp3

We all need to be a little crazy sometimes.

Right now I’m actually leaning toward the 448 as I don’t have anything like a California dial. A 721 or 249 would be backup plans. Doing nothing is a possibility as well.

By the way, when researching the California dial models, I learned that the seemingly very popular 249 has the same 30m water rating as as the Due models!

Did the 249 take the same heat for the low water resistance rating as the Due models? I haven’t been around on the forum long enough to know.


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There is good reason for its low water resistance. It was the first PAM made with Plexi and it had a very thin caseback, so the combination conservatively kept its water resistance to 30mm, which is historically accurate giving that the first Rads were not used for deep water diving (these were replaced by the 1940 and later crown guard cases for deeper diving).

No one buys a 249 to take on a dive. In any event, didn’t you just say (the day before) that you don’t like the Cali dial? Why then would you buy one?

[rpjp3]

Originally Posted by erik asher

There is good reason for its low water resistance. It was the first PAM made with Plexi and it had a very thin caseback, so the combination conservatively kept its water resistance to 30mm, which is historically accurate giving that the first Rads were not used for deep water diving (these were replaced by the 1940 and later crown guard cases for deeper diving).

No one buys a 249 to take on a dive. In any event, didn’t you just say (the day before) that you don’t like the Cali dial? Why then would you buy one?

I said a few things about the Cali dial...I wasn’t a big fan; it’s different than my other watches; and I would, in effect, take another look at it. I have taken another look, and I appreciate its differences more now than I did initially...both overall and in relation to what else I own.

One thing I’ve certainly learned about Panerai for me is tastes and interests change. That’s cool as I’m having a lot fun with it all.

I still like the 449. A Cali may just add a little more interest. I’ll see how things work out.

My apologies to the OP as I did not intend to turn this thread into my story.


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[erik asher]

Originally Posted by rpjp3

I said a few things about the Cali dial...I wasn’t a big fan; it’s different than my other watches; and I would, in effect, take another look at it. I have taken another look, and I appreciate its differences more now than I did initially...both overall and in relation to what else I own.

One thing I’ve certainly learned about Panerai for me is tastes and interests change. That’s cool as I’m having a lot fun with it all.

I still like the 449. A Cali may just add a little more interest. I’ll see how things work out.

My apologies to the OP as I did not intend to turn this thread into my story.


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Very cool! I wouldn’t own both a 448 and 449 as they are exactly the same case with just different dial design. IMHO, the Cali dial looks a Lille better in the 249 as there are subtle differences to the case that make the dial look more balanced. If you are sold on the Cali dial, the 449/249 combo is a winner!

[rpjp3]

Originally Posted by erik asher

Very cool! I wouldn’t own both a 448 and 449 as they are exactly the same case with just different dial design. IMHO, the Cali dial looks a Lille better in the 249 as there are subtle differences to the case that make the dial look more balanced. If you are sold on the Cali dial, the 449/249 combo is a winner!

Thanks Erik. I won’t keep both, it’ll be either the 448 or 449.


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[Kidcool]

I have had a Panerai and I am a fan, but not the Due.

Panerai has history. Panerai is a diving watch.

An Apple Watch can go deeper than the Due, the crown guard is on there just for looks.

It is like Panerai made their own replica and are acting like it is a great watch.

[arnage]

Originally Posted by Kidcool

I have had a Panerai and I am a fan, but not the Due.

Panerai has history. Panerai is a diving watch.

An Apple Watch can go deeper than the Due, the crown guard is on there just for looks.

It is like Panerai made their own replica and are acting like it is a great watch.

well, let's face it; if we were to only wear watches for their strict functionality, rather than looks and design aesthetic, this forum might not exist. I suspect we'd be wearing some form of a G-shock, maybe a smartwatch of sorts (and not necessarily Apple, where design philosophy plays as large a part in consumer allure as functionality might).

Panerai's military "history," and particularly as it relates to its modern-day commercialism and lineup is not uncontroversial. I say this as someone who does support the brand, having had a whole bunch of them (with 3 remaining!). As much as the PAM tourbillons have no real connection to Panerai history, pre-Richemont, pre-V, etc, they serve the same purpose that the Due might serve... showcasing technical advancement (thinning of movement) and catering to different marketing needs.

Not unbeknownst that thin watches have become more popular in the market lately.

[Rolexavidfan]

Originally Posted by rpjp3

Which Rad?



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It’s a Radiomir 721. Sorry for the late reply!

My 1000th post.


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[holdtime]

+ One exact same thoughts.

[Talbel]

I like the Due line. Actually seriously considering and 728 as the prices are starting to get more favorable at least from what I have been offered. I have owned several Luminor and Radiomir’s over the years and I like this change of pace. With a simple change of straps you can dress it up or down. It makes for a very unique “dress” watch or a great every day wear.

[RRM1020]

Interesting comments on the Due line... here is my experience.
About 3-4 years ago I was done with Panerai after owning about 15-20different models trying to find the “right” one or ones and especially the right size for dress and also leisure.
Then their pre owned prices ranked and seemed like no one wanted a Pam! A little disappointing for such an iconic watch and watch maker.

When the Due line was introduced it really intrigued me with its features. The slim case, sandwich dial, see through back and the 45mm which, for me, is absolute the right Pam size especially with its thin case. So the 674 made it back into my collection. It quickly became a favorite and classy watch (I added a Ted Su beige strap to match the color of the numbers and looks killer.
Since Panerai seems to have made it back in a big way and now I have 3 Pams in my winder.

The new BMG Submersible is the latest that caught my eye especially th innovative case material. At 47mm May be big but for being out on the water I may pull it off. Looking forward to adding a Submersible to my collection, either BMG or a 44mm.

So I do think Panerai does it for me with its classy refined Due collection eventhoght it deviates from the iconic Panerai dna but this line hit it all for me!

[holdtime]

Originally Posted by Rolexavidfan

I tried also the 45mm Luminor Due with date. It also wears thinly on my wrist despite the additional 3mm and being automatic. It can tuck neatly under the shirt cuffs.

I however decided to go for the 42mm Due for the following reasons:

1. I prefer manual wind for my Panerai
2. I didn’t like the extra text of “Automatic” at 6 o’clock
3. I also don’t like a date window

So my choice is purely personal. Nothing wrong with the bigger automatic case.

I firmly believe that Panerai did right in issuing this model.

Obligatory wrist shot:




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I Just bought a PAM0676 agree thiner and 42mm.
45 in my opinion is Massive.my limit was 41 but Panerai 42.

[Sebast975]

Originally Posted by arnage

well, let's face it; if we were to only wear watches for their strict functionality, rather than looks and design aesthetic, this forum might not exist. I suspect we'd be wearing some form of a G-shock, maybe a smartwatch of sorts (and not necessarily Apple, where design philosophy plays as large a part in consumer allure as functionality might).



Panerai's military "history," and particularly as it relates to its modern-day commercialism and lineup is not uncontroversial. I say this as someone who does support the brand, having had a whole bunch of them (with 3 remaining!). As much as the PAM tourbillons have no real connection to Panerai history, pre-Richemont, pre-V, etc, they serve the same purpose that the Due might serve... showcasing technical advancement (thinning of movement) and catering to different marketing needs.



Not unbeknownst that thin watches have become more popular in the market lately.

Exactly, for me the design aesthetics of the Due line beat out the poor water rating functionality. I already have a few "diver" watches that honestly have never seen anything deeper than a swimming pool. In terms of opening a new marketing segment for them, it's a smart move. Me and my chicken wrists would not be Panerai customers if it weren't for the Due line, so I'm grateful for this. Here's my 42mm PAM 927.

[dimag333]

Wow 3 banned members on this post! What did fat ninja do?

steve