“The Supercase was a mistake!”

[zengineer]

Originally Posted by garyk

So the ceramic bezel ruined the Daytona? Lol, just read an article about the most in demand watch on the planet but maybe the planet has it wrong?!

Just to my eye. I understand it is a very popular watch and that I am very much in the minority. I am the worlds foremost expert on my own opinion.

The Dukes of Hazard was the number 1 TV show for several years. I didn't get much out of that either.

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[gtnator]

Obviously, they reverted back to a prior style. The decision to do that speaks for itself. But I wouldn’t call it a mistake as much as an experiment.


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[vh2k]

Originally Posted by Ranger67

Can’t be bothered to watch

Any reasonable Rolex enthusiast or Submariner fan should find the video informative and educational. Nathan and C&C did a great job. Thorough analysis of the design, bracelet, dimensions, hands, etc.

[archer1021]

Then that would mean the maxi case of the gmt master 2 is also a mistake?

Because they still use virtually the same dimensions for those as the now discontinued sub


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[Ranger67]

Originally Posted by vh2k

Any reasonable Rolex enthusiast or lover of watch design would find the video informative and educational. Nathan and C&C did a great job. Good analysis.

So I’m not a Rolex enthusiast for not wanting to watch? It is my choice, I have read on TRF people’s opinions on many varied subjects and the Maxi case one has been done time and time again, I now find it tedious that the same subject is regurgitated, for me the hype and frenzy associated with slight changes are inconsequential.

[Rashid.bk]

Supercases are perfectly fine on the wrist. The problem today is macro photo obsession which exaggerates non issues.
I’ve even heard someone complain about how the rehaut text bothers them!!!! Something that at arms length (how we really see our watches) is nearly invisible to but the eagle eyed.

I think it was a great move that served its purpose and kept the Sub relevant during the big watch craze instead of making it a 42 or 45 even, like everyone was doing, but now with the easy access to cameras and social media which show the watch in large macro six inches from your face format, it has too many critics.

Then there’s the fact that Rolex fans are hyper critical about the most minutiae of details, font size, shiny vs frosted clasps, cyclops magnification levels, dial shades, crown alignments when tight, etc..
Things no other brand is criticized for. It’s no wonder they don’t change much.

Was it a mistake no.
Has the watch collecting environment become more critical, definitely.
Does the new one look “better”, I would say so.
Would I be happy with either, yes.

And the question of the year, does the supercase matter on the LVC, what supercase, exactly.

[Avs Fan]

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

Supercases are perfectly fine on the wrist. The problem today is macro photo obsession which exaggerates non issues.
I’ve even heard someone complain about how the rehaut text bothers them!!!! Something that at arms length (how we really see our watches) is nearly invisible to but the eagle eyed.

I think it was a great move that served its purpose and kept the Sub relevant during the big watch craze instead of making it a 42 or 45 even, like everyone was doing, but now with the easy access to cameras and social media which show the watch in large macro six inches from your face format, it has too many critics.

Then there’s the fact that Rolex fans are hyper critical about the most minutiae of details, font size, shiny vs frosted clasps, cyclops magnification levels, dial shades, crown alignments when tight, etc..
Things no other brand is criticized for. It’s no wonder they don’t change much.

Was it a mistake no.
Has the watch collecting environment become more critical, definitely.
Does the new one look “better”, I would say so.
Would I be happy with either, yes.

And the question of the year, does the supercase matter on the LVC, what supercase, exactly.

This makes sense. Rolex design watches to be worn on the wrist. I would hope they do not design to accommodate perceptions created by close up photos.

[southcarolina1801]

Having owned a super case 144060 and now a new 126610 Sub, I 100% think the new case looks better. It tapers down to the bracelet nicely and doesn’t look like a square block sitting on your wrist.

Rolex did a wonderful job adjusting the proportions on the new Sub. They made it look better while looking just as substantial.

[Oystersteel]

yawn.......

[Tallbark]

But the GMT II still have the Supercase? So I guess Rolex dont see it as a mistake...

[ROLEXster]

It seems like the 116610 owners are bashing the 126610.
And 126610 owners are bashing the 116610.
I guess this is only human nature ... to justify what they own is better.

I don't own either, so I am pretty neutral.
I would be happy with either one.

All generation of Subs are nice, each have their own uniqueness.
We all can't be Doctors, and we all can't be dish washers.
Enjoy what you have.

[zengineer]

Originally Posted by Ranger67

So I’m not a Rolex enthusiast for not wanting to watch? It is my choice, I have read on TRF people’s opinions on many varied subjects and the Maxi case one has been done time and time again, I now find it tedious that the same subject is regurgitated, for me the hype and frenzy associated with slight changes are inconsequential.

In retrospect, you probably could have watched it in less time than it took to tell us you weren't going to watch and then explain to someone why not watching didn't mean what they suggested it meant about you.

This all reminds me of the slap fights when the blue/black bezeled GMT changed bracelet styles. It was either a vastly superior and completely different watch requiring you to immediately "upgrade", irreversibly turned into a ladies watch, or barely changed. Either way it was hard to get so it must be worth at least $5k extra.

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[mkruger311]

I do like the new case but don't like the bracelet increase. I would have kept it 40mm, slimmed down the case and kept the 20mm bracelet. That would have been the perfect design to me.

[Polarexplorerii]

Originally Posted by Thanos

The reality is

NO ONE CARES what Crown & Caliber thinks!!

There opinion is as important as mine

I hope they read and understand this

[Chopped54]

The hipster dancing summed up my thoughts of C&C as a whole.

[thenewrick]

It's always just an opinion, no right and wrong.

For me the ideal size is closer to a 42x11, so when Rolex inched closer towards that and improved the bracelet and crownguard, improved the dial and hands etc. It was like 7x-8x minor improvements for me. I had no interest in the maxicase subs but I'd like a no date sub now. Watches are all about details for me.

I don't really care about what's hot or hyped or even the name on the dial so much. Some people see a watch as, "Brand name, model name, hype status" and I look at build quality, tech specs, movement, case dimensions, bracelet etc.

[Seaswirl]

Does the new Sub not have a super case? Case footprint looks to be largely the same albeit with a wider bracelet to make the lugs look thinner. To my eye, Rolex has not deviated too much, and the new Sub appears much more similar to the previous 6 digit references than the old 5 digit Subs. If the super case was a mistake, not sure why Rolex would continue using them.

[Ranger67]

Originally Posted by zengineer

In retrospect, you probably could have watched it in less time than it took to tell us you weren't going to watch and then explain to someone why not watching didn't mean what they suggested it meant about you.

This all reminds me of the slap fights when the blue/black bezeled GMT changed bracelet styles. It was either a vastly superior and completely different watch requiring you to immediately "upgrade", irreversibly turned into a ladies watch, or barely changed. Either way it was hard to get so it must be worth at least $5k extra.

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As said I’ve read so many arguments for and against I didn’t need another point of view.

[Bigblu10]

Originally Posted by Seaswirl

Does the new Sub not have a super case? Case footprint looks to be largely the same albeit with a wider bracelet to make the lugs look thinner. To my eye, Rolex has not deviated too much, and the new Sub appears much more similar to the previous 6 digit references than the old 5 digit Subs. If the super case was a mistake, not sure why Rolex would continue using them.

You are spot on, and in fact the current GMT still utilizes the " super case " and I don't see critics here saying the GMT is a mistake. Not a single comment about GMT lugs, crown guards et al.

[David5807]

Originally Posted by garyk

Nope, not fat unless your magnifying the lugs vs the rest of the watch which is a ridiculous way to look at it. Your watch btw, outstanding!!

Thank you for the compliment

[rmagoo57]

I would wear either one. Tried on the 12 and it looked and felt great. I love my 114060 - it'll be with me for a long, long time. I might add a TT Sub at some point, probably a 5 digit.

[jimbones43]

20 minute video in 1mm? Good grief Charlie Brown!

[Meyrin]

Originally Posted by Thanos

The reality is

NO ONE CARES what Crown & Caliber thinks!!

There opinion is as important as mine

I hope they read and understand this

Well said! But just out of interest...exactly who or what is Crown & Caliber...?

[LittleGothamDragon]

i wasn't a fan of the super case

[nosignalbmwdriver]

That's cap!

[Bizcut1]

Stupid. If I want to watch click-bait, I'll hit You Tube.

Waste of time topic.

[vh2k]

Originally Posted by Bizcut1

Stupid. If I want to watch click-bait, I'll hit You Tube.

Waste of time topic.

Those who spend the energy to whine and complain about threads in which they are supposedly uninterested... reveal more about themselves that they do about the topic.

Try ignoring and moving on next time.

[vh2k]

Originally Posted by Meyrin

Well said! But just out of interest...exactly who or what is Crown & Caliber...?

I thought it was an informative video. The community is lucky to have a wide array of enthusiasts and resellers investing time on great content.

[Bizcut1]

Originally Posted by vh2k

Those who spend the energy to whine and complain about threads in which they are supposedly uninterested... reveal more about themselves that they do about the topic.

Try ignoring and moving on next time.

Not whining. Your post is stupid click-bait. Reveal that.

Period.

[vh2k]

Originally Posted by Bizcut1

Not whining. Your post is stupid click-bait. Period.

But, how did you vote?