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cparks555 · 2 June 2011, 05:59 AM

Hey everyone, new here and have a few questions about the Panerai Sub. Are they considered as rugged and reliable as a Submariner, and can you get one on a bracelet instead of a strap?

Thanks

Gregcar · 5 June 2011, 12:43 AM

Hey, my opinion is no...I had a PAM 25 with a loose bezel, and "wobble, both of which people claim that they like...well, I am back to a solid, no frills, 5513 sub, that is staying with me...I thought about trading it for a 312, but, I have seen tons of posts on this and other forums from people having a lot of problems with them...sticking to rolex and looking for a gmt now.

Shade · 5 June 2011, 01:06 AM

Well they are nice, but I dont dive so I have no idea how reliable the bezels are especially under water. However they do tend to feel heavy on my wrist!

dukerules · 5 June 2011, 03:40 AM

Well I've got a PAM 243 and a Rolex 16600. My personal experience is that they are both solid, well-built watches. I like the 16600, but find that I wear the 243 more often. The PAM 106 is a Submersible model on bracelet. Although it is discontinued, they come up for sale used on the fora every once in a while.

cparks555 · 5 June 2011, 04:03 AM

Thank you guy's for the information, they sure are great looking watches in my opinion. I think it would be nice to have one because it seems much less common than a Rolex Sub. It would be nice to have a great watch that flies under the radar. I do have a 16610LV already, just looking for something different.

B. Doggy · 5 June 2011, 04:21 AM

They're great. I've owned a 243 and loved it.

mike · 5 June 2011, 05:41 AM

I had a 24 and it was as solid as any diver I've worn. The 7750 movement has been around a long time and is a real workhorse.

Accuracy was excellent. If I had to choose the bezel numbers on the Pams to my eye are not as easy to read in all conditions, but that's the only nit I can pick.

Yes if your's is a K series or newer the new bracelet with the proper endlinks will work. I've used a bracelet on the 24 and the 88.

cparks555 · 5 June 2011, 07:33 AM

I really like how they look on the rubber band, but think a bracelet would be nice also. Not a huge fan of the leather strap, can't figure out why a diver would come with leather. I've done quite a bit of studying on this watch since my original post, sorry if it seemed kind of lame.

Thanks

mfer · 5 June 2011, 08:50 AM

The 243 looks as tough as they come. I can see where you are coming from about the 24/25. The bezel seems like the weak point, but the case is strong as can be and the crown guard is a proven design. I wouldn't worry, the bezel can be replaced relatively cheap (on par with the Rolex).

snog · 5 June 2011, 10:11 AM

the leather strap is part of the history of Panerai,a big leather strap would be used to fasten the watch around the drivers wetsuit.

cparks555 · 5 June 2011, 09:21 PM

Thanks, saw a pic of a 243 on a tough looking leather strap and it was sweet! It looked like a piece from an old saddle or something. Thanks for the history lesson.

destrow · 9 June 2011, 03:26 AM

pam subs are just as tough as any other nice diving watch. they are bigger, so they tend to get dinged-up more than smaller sized watches. hence, they may need more spa days.

i have a t-dial 087, and i wouldn't get rid of it for anything. i wear it on a multitude of straps, but never with a metal bracelet. i've heard some of the 24mm lug watches require 'micro-adaptors' to fit it onto one of the oem bracelets.

2 June 2011, 05:59 AM	#1
cparks555 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: SC Posts: 274	Panerai Sub Hey everyone, new here and have a few questions about the Panerai Sub. Are they considered as rugged and reliable as a Submariner, and can you get one on a bracelet instead of a strap? Thanks

5 June 2011, 01:06 AM	#3
Shade "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Norman Location: Jakarta Watch: All of 'em.. Posts: 2,926	Well they are nice, but I dont dive so I have no idea how reliable the bezels are especially under water. However they do tend to feel heavy on my wrist! __________________ My collections.. Plus PAM 233, 232, 249 & PAM 417.

5 June 2011, 03:40 AM	#4
dukerules "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: NC, USA Posts: 681	Well I've got a PAM 243 and a Rolex 16600. My personal experience is that they are both solid, well-built watches. I like the 16600, but find that I wear the 243 more often. The PAM 106 is a Submersible model on bracelet. Although it is discontinued, they come up for sale used on the fora every once in a while. __________________ Instagram: dukerules

5 June 2011, 04:21 AM	#6
B. Doggy "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Bryan Location: Oregon Posts: 7,399	They're great. I've owned a 243 and loved it. __________________ Rolex / Panerai / Omega

5 June 2011, 08:50 AM	#9
mfer "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: Mik Location: USA Posts: 13,723	The 243 looks as tough as they come. I can see where you are coming from about the 24/25. The bezel seems like the weak point, but the case is strong as can be and the crown guard is a proven design. I wouldn't worry, the bezel can be replaced relatively cheap (on par with the Rolex). __________________ member#3242

5 June 2011, 12:43 AM	#2
Gregcar "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Rhode island Posts: 118	Hey, my opinion is no...I had a PAM 25 with a loose bezel, and "wobble, both of which people claim that they like...well, I am back to a solid, no frills, 5513 sub, that is staying with me...I thought about trading it for a 312, but, I have seen tons of posts on this and other forums from people having a lot of problems with them...sticking to rolex and looking for a gmt now.

5 June 2011, 04:03 AM	#5
cparks555 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: SC Posts: 274	Thank you guy's for the information, they sure are great looking watches in my opinion. I think it would be nice to have one because it seems much less common than a Rolex Sub. It would be nice to have a great watch that flies under the radar. I do have a 16610LV already, just looking for something different.

5 June 2011, 05:41 AM	#7
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	I had a 24 and it was as solid as any diver I've worn. The 7750 movement has been around a long time and is a real workhorse. Accuracy was excellent. If I had to choose the bezel numbers on the Pams to my eye are not as easy to read in all conditions, but that's the only nit I can pick. Yes if your's is a K series or newer the new bracelet with the proper endlinks will work. I've used a bracelet on the 24 and the 88.

5 June 2011, 07:33 AM	#8
cparks555 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: SC Posts: 274	I really like how they look on the rubber band, but think a bracelet would be nice also. Not a huge fan of the leather strap, can't figure out why a diver would come with leather. I've done quite a bit of studying on this watch since my original post, sorry if it seemed kind of lame. Thanks

5 June 2011, 10:11 AM	#10
snog "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: UK Posts: 908	the leather strap is part of the history of Panerai,a big leather strap would be used to fasten the watch around the drivers wetsuit.

5 June 2011, 09:21 PM	#11
cparks555 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: SC Posts: 274	Thanks, saw a pic of a 243 on a tough looking leather strap and it was sweet! It looked like a piece from an old saddle or something. Thanks for the history lesson.

9 June 2011, 03:26 AM	#12
destrow "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: New Orleans Posts: 145	pam subs are just as tough as any other nice diving watch. they are bigger, so they tend to get dinged-up more than smaller sized watches. hence, they may need more spa days. i have a t-dial 087, and i wouldn't get rid of it for anything. i wear it on a multitude of straps, but never with a metal bracelet. i've heard some of the 24mm lug watches require 'micro-adaptors' to fit it onto one of the oem bracelets.

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