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dopeymuppet · 12 August 2009, 11:14 PM

Hello,

This is my first post for a while and was wondering if we have any Franck Muller aficionados out there? I'm trying to decide between a King Conquistador in SS or an AP Royal Oak in rose gold.

I'd love if anyone owning either of these two watches could chip in with any information they may have in terms of reliability, as I'm struggling to find any real information about FM online.

drtooth73 · 12 August 2009, 11:24 PM

They are very different watches. Both are great watches.
FM is a relatively new company, formed by a super bright graduate of a watchmaker school, while Audemars has a long history.
Buy the one that you like better.

boa2 · 13 August 2009, 01:11 AM

Wow! Talk about two completely different brands! Unfortunately, FM recently laid off over half of its staff, hit heavily by the downturn. I can only suggest that if you buy an FM, aim for a significant discount. They are very difficult to re-sell. Of course, if you intend to keep it forever, it's a non-issue.

With respect to AP, are you considering the 15300 on a strap, or the 15202 on a bracelet?

Best of luck in your search!

heresiarh · 13 August 2009, 02:08 AM

AP all the way .. plus AP watches have great resale.

iwantagmt · 13 August 2009, 03:10 AM

AP! Brand history is important to me, and I like the look of the RO, so its AP all the way for me.

Good luck!

dopeymuppet · 13 August 2009, 03:31 AM

I think I'm leaning to the AP to be honest. It's on a strap, not a bracelet so has a more relaxed look to it. Thanks for the advice!

boa2 · 13 August 2009, 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dopeymuppet

I think I'm leaning to the AP to be honest. It's on a strap, not a bracelet so has a more relaxed look to it. Thanks for the advice!

That's one stunning watch. If you do get it, please post pics!

dopeymuppet · 13 August 2009, 04:26 AM

Will do! Hopefully picking it up next week. Am away for a couple of weeks but I promise to post upon my return! Thanks for the help guys!

drtooth73 · 13 August 2009, 10:07 PM

I wonder what kind of discount you can get on FM Aeternitas Mega 4?

TheDude · 13 August 2009, 11:04 PM

I have always admired the FM watches. They're a beautiful interpretation and execution of a classic design.

I have seen several on second-hand sites like Portero recently. Good to read that they're dogs on the used market - I'll keep an eye out for some deals.

boa2 · 14 August 2009, 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drtooth73

I wonder what kind of discount you can get on FM Aeternitas Mega 4?

At least you could cancel your gym membership with that massive piece.

Art 1 · 18 August 2009, 11:02 AM

I would have to go with the AP. FM's seem to have lost all popularity and resale value.

unknown · 19 August 2009, 03:36 AM

FM are probably the most overpriced watches.
Their first watches, made by the man himself are GREAT and deserve a place in the watch history but the new mass-produced , ETA based pieces are imo way too expensive.

You really need a big discount, at least 50%

dopeymuppet · 30 August 2009, 09:22 AM

As promised, here are some pics of the AP! These pictures genuinely don't do it justice, it is incredible.

DARK_KNIGHT · 30 August 2009, 09:25 AM

I had the crazy hours...............the coolness wore off and I gave it away.

Submarino · 1 October 2009, 10:07 AM

Go with a Royal Oak Offshore instead.

asadtiger · 1 October 2009, 04:20 PM

lovely AP

yurigia · 9 October 2009, 08:06 AM

AP for all the life...!!

icnbne · 13 October 2009, 02:22 PM

Franck Muller for me..
this watch is amazing..

(pic from watchtime.com.au)

WatchTimes · 13 October 2009, 10:11 PM

FM makes nice watches and he is a VERY talented man.

His watches have HORRID resale (at least the basic models, not sure about the high end complications).

AP has heritage, history and well is just AP......... AP is among the top 5 (more likely 3) watch companies of all time.

Submarino · 13 October 2009, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JYogi

FM makes nice watches and he is a VERY talented man.

His watches have HORRID resale (at least the basic models, not sure about the high end complications).

AP has heritage, history and well is just AP......... AP is among the top 5 (more likely 3) watch companies of all time.

AP is one of the three masters of horlogerie next to Patek and Jaeger.

WatchTimes · 14 October 2009, 01:39 AM

Another thing I really like about AP is it has had a founding family member on the board since the day the company was founded and yes there is still one there!

Other companies have been around longer BUT they have been bought and sold, I can't think of another that has had the founding family involved so long!

cody p · 14 October 2009, 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Submarino

AP is one of the three masters of horlogerie next to Patek and Jaeger.

vc?

Mosco · 14 October 2009, 03:56 AM

The BIG FOUR: AP, Patek, VC, Breguet. Not just my opinion, but a widely accepted one.

cody p · 15 October 2009, 03:46 AM

there's some new news floating around about more troubles at fm. imo, there's just something that's not right with their 'ethos'.

boa2 · 15 October 2009, 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mosco

The BIG FOUR: AP, Patek, VC, Breguet. Not just my opinion, but a widely accepted one.

You would be hard pressed to find a seasoned collector who would consider Breguet (and in some cases, all of these brands) ahead of Lange & Sohne. Float the question on the Purist or Timezone sites, and see if Breguet is mentioned in the top-4.

Nick1959 · 15 October 2009, 06:50 AM

AP is awsome go with it

fujisan · 16 October 2009, 03:43 PM

Congratulations on your new purchase. The pictures are great. Hope you ave many happy reflections with your watch.

12 August 2009, 11:14 PM	#1
dopeymuppet "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: UK Posts: 184	Franck Muller v Audemars Hello, This is my first post for a while and was wondering if we have any Franck Muller aficionados out there? I'm trying to decide between a King Conquistador in SS or an AP Royal Oak in rose gold. I'd love if anyone owning either of these two watches could chip in with any information they may have in terms of reliability, as I'm struggling to find any real information about FM online.

13 August 2009, 01:11 AM	#3
boa2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Howard Location: US Watch: Me Now Posts: 3,657	Wow! Talk about two completely different brands! Unfortunately, FM recently laid off over half of its staff, hit heavily by the downturn. I can only suggest that if you buy an FM, aim for a significant discount. They are very difficult to re-sell. Of course, if you intend to keep it forever, it's a non-issue. With respect to AP, are you considering the 15300 on a strap, or the 15202 on a bracelet? Best of luck in your search! __________________ "Facts and truth really don't have much to do with each other."

13 August 2009, 02:08 AM	#4
heresiarh "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: heresiarh Location: Boston Watch: GMT-IIC Posts: 428	AP all the way .. plus AP watches have great resale. __________________ "I though paradise was a library" Patek 5711/1A White Dial

19 August 2009, 03:36 AM	#13
unknown "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 2,808	FM are probably the most overpriced watches. Their first watches, made by the man himself are GREAT and deserve a place in the watch history but the new mass-produced , ETA based pieces are imo way too expensive. You really need a big discount, at least 50% __________________ Instagram : @collectible_watches

30 August 2009, 09:22 AM	#14
dopeymuppet "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: UK Posts: 184	As promised! As promised, here are some pics of the AP! These pictures genuinely don't do it justice, it is incredible.

12 August 2009, 11:24 PM	#2
drtooth73 Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: W. Stutman Location: Motor City Watch: TT GMT IIC Posts: 2,223	They are very different watches. Both are great watches. FM is a relatively new company, formed by a super bright graduate of a watchmaker school, while Audemars has a long history. Buy the one that you like better.

13 August 2009, 03:10 AM	#5
iwantagmt "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Brandon Location: Indy: GO COLTS!!! Watch: Omega Seamaster PO Posts: 337	AP! Brand history is important to me, and I like the look of the RO, so its AP all the way for me. Good luck!

13 August 2009, 03:31 AM	#6
dopeymuppet "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: UK Posts: 184	I think I'm leaning to the AP to be honest. It's on a strap, not a bracelet so has a more relaxed look to it. Thanks for the advice!

13 August 2009, 04:26 AM	#8
dopeymuppet "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: UK Posts: 184	Will do! Hopefully picking it up next week. Am away for a couple of weeks but I promise to post upon my return! Thanks for the help guys!

13 August 2009, 10:07 PM	#9
drtooth73 Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: W. Stutman Location: Motor City Watch: TT GMT IIC Posts: 2,223	I wonder what kind of discount you can get on FM Aeternitas Mega 4?

13 August 2009, 11:04 PM	#10
TheDude "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: DC Area, USA Watch: IIc,1680 Red,16660 Posts: 4,483	I have always admired the FM watches. They're a beautiful interpretation and execution of a classic design. I have seen several on second-hand sites like Portero recently. Good to read that they're dogs on the used market - I'll keep an eye out for some deals.

18 August 2009, 11:02 AM	#12
Art 1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Florida, Canada Watch: Rol/Seik/Tud/Omega Posts: 30,244	I would have to go with the AP. FM's seem to have lost all popularity and resale value.

30 August 2009, 09:25 AM	#15
DARK_KNIGHT "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Jack Location: Dothan Watch: Cartier Posts: 1,236	I had the crazy hours...............the coolness wore off and I gave it away.

1 October 2009, 10:07 AM	#16
Submarino "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Mr. H Location: Dallas Watch: them for me! Posts: 7,180	Go with a Royal Oak Offshore instead. __________________ WATCHES ARE THE NEW CURRENCY!/ MEMBER 27491/OFFICIALLY DESIGNATED OLD TIMER /AP OWNERS CLUB MEMBER Instagram @watchcollectinglifestyle

1 October 2009, 04:20 PM	#17
asadtiger "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Asad A. Awan Location: kabul, Afghanista Watch: Tissot PRX Posts: 2,698	lovely AP

9 October 2009, 08:06 AM	#18
yurigia "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Italy Posts: 12	AP for all the life...!!

13 October 2009, 02:22 PM	#19
icnbne "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Real Name: J Location: Brisbane Watch: Rolex Omega Seiko Posts: 1,562	Franck Muller for me.. this watch is amazing.. (pic from watchtime.com.au)

13 October 2009, 10:11 PM	#20
WatchTimes 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: JYogi/Jeremy Location: Metro Detroit USA Watch: It's a Rolex! Posts: 5,463	FM makes nice watches and he is a VERY talented man. His watches have HORRID resale (at least the basic models, not sure about the high end complications). AP has heritage, history and well is just AP......... AP is among the top 5 (more likely 3) watch companies of all time. __________________ "You won't rise to the occasion - you'll default to your level of training." Barrett Tillman Kentucky Colonel, Tennessee Squire & Combat Leprechaun

14 October 2009, 01:39 AM	#22
WatchTimes 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: JYogi/Jeremy Location: Metro Detroit USA Watch: It's a Rolex! Posts: 5,463	Another thing I really like about AP is it has had a founding family member on the board since the day the company was founded and yes there is still one there! Other companies have been around longer BUT they have been bought and sold, I can't think of another that has had the founding family involved so long! __________________ "You won't rise to the occasion - you'll default to your level of training." Barrett Tillman Kentucky Colonel, Tennessee Squire & Combat Leprechaun

14 October 2009, 03:56 AM	#24
Mosco "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Greg Location: Cincinnati Watch: I like to... Posts: 18,567	The BIG FOUR: AP, Patek, VC, Breguet. Not just my opinion, but a widely accepted one. __________________ Instagram - @CaliberSwiss *“A man who procrastinates in his choosing will inevitably have his choice made for him by circumstance.” - Hunter S. Thompson*

15 October 2009, 03:46 AM	#25
cody p "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Canada Watch: Air-King 114200 Posts: 2,878	there's some new news floating around about more troubles at fm. imo, there's just something that's not right with their 'ethos'.

15 October 2009, 06:50 AM	#27
Nick1959 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: New York Watch: Rolex DSSD Posts: 558	AP is awsome go with it

16 October 2009, 03:43 PM	#28
fujisan "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Mr Fuji Location: Japan Watch: SDDS Posts: 143	Congratulations on your new purchase. The pictures are great. Hope you ave many happy reflections with your watch. __________________ 'The ignorant man had best be silent. Nobody will know what a fool he is until he begins to talk'.

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