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timeforachange · 19 January 2016, 07:55 AM

Hi Guys,

I would like to purchase a new 5712R but I'm not sure of the best place to source the watch at the best price?

Happy to travel to collect it and would intend to pay via bank transfer.

Is there a waiting list on this model at the moment? I've tried looking at local Patek ADs in the UK and I can't find this model in stock.

This may be their lack of focus on Patek or perhaps because they are difficult to find.

Just looking for the help on the experts on this forum to help me find the best way forward :)

Thanks very much for reading!

James

AK797 · 19 January 2016, 11:23 AM

Try Iconic, Official Watches and Watchfinder, all can get unworn ones from EU or UK.

timeforachange · 19 January 2016, 04:41 PM

Thanks, will call those three dealers.

Do you think it would be worth contacting any European Dealers?

justdate · 19 January 2016, 08:12 PM

I bought an AP ROO from this shop in Knightsbridge and was happy with the watch and servicE. They are called H&Y Jewellery.

Take a look on their site, they have various Pateks brand new.

cinch · 20 January 2016, 04:01 AM

There is quite a new one on Watchfinder, still within warranty I think.

PJ S · 20 January 2016, 04:21 AM

https://www.chrono24.co.uk/patekphil...-id3660947.htm

And the rest in EU member countries.

Oryx · 20 January 2016, 06:10 AM

5712 is relatively easy to get hold of - I would personally by from a UK AD over a grey seller.

PM me if you need help tracking one down at an AD.

timeforachange · 20 January 2016, 07:12 AM

Thanks for your replies - I tried calling H&Y to ask about their one, but there was no answer. Will try again tomorrow.

Also visited Wempe as I was around New Bond Street area. They checked with Patek whilst I was in their showroom as they didn't have one in stock. The advice was that they might not get one until August/September but they thought it might take until 2017. That's quite a wait!

Can anyone also confirm current UK RRP on one of these? Wempe said the current list price was around £28,900 (I can't recall the exact figure from the brochure, but it was I think a few pounds around this level).

If I am buying new, is there a material difference between buying from an AD or from a reseller using grey stock, presumably like H&Y?

MCMartiny · 20 January 2016, 08:09 AM

UK RRP for 5712R is £28,640

subbuteo · 20 January 2016, 10:04 AM

UK price list for all the Nautilus', Nautiluses, Nautili?

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timeforachange · 21 January 2016, 12:51 AM

Thanks so much Subbuteo and MCMartiny for posting the RRP prices.

I really appreciate it.

enricotambunan · 23 January 2016, 12:22 AM

Sydney, Australia. Prices in AUD obviously...

Hope this helps :)

aw662 · 20 April 2016, 08:34 AM

Anyone manage to work a discount on their 5712r or know if it's possible? I'm really thinking about buying one.

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AK797 · 20 April 2016, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by aw662

Anyone manage to work a discount on their 5712r or know if it's possible? I'm really thinking about buying one.

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I would need 10% off from an AD otherwise I'd go unworn from a reseller.

THEPUMA · 21 April 2016, 04:48 AM

Does anyone think there is any possibility of ever getting a discount off list for a 5711 with blue dial? Or am I in cloud cuckoo land given the length of the waiting lists?

martinr · 21 April 2016, 06:03 AM

Takuya has a bnib sealed 5712R in the FS section for a good price. Maybe he can ship overseas, wouldn't hurt to ask.

jsw7 · 21 April 2016, 06:03 AM

You can get a blue dial 5711 in the uk without too much waiting. I've been told by two ADs they have ones available this year. I am picking one up next week and only started trying to get one a few weeks ago. I am paying list though.

aw662 · 21 April 2016, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jsw7

You can get a blue dial 5711 in the uk without too much waiting. I've been told by two ADs they have ones available this year. I am picking one up next week and only started trying to get one a few weeks ago. I am paying list though.

My local AD has a 2 year waiting list. Haven't done a massive amount of ringing around other dealers though so I guess each area is different. Can't imagine an AD discount on the 5711 to be honest.

KarlS · 21 April 2016, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by aw662

My local AD has a 2 year waiting list. Haven't done a massive amount of ringing around other dealers though so I guess each area is different. Can't imagine an AD discount on the 5711 to be honest.

and judging from where u live....he is on the list himself personally for the past 2 years and still hasnt received it!

jsw7 · 21 April 2016, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by aw662

My local AD has a 2 year waiting list. Haven't done a massive amount of ringing around other dealers though so I guess each area is different. Can't imagine an AD discount on the 5711 to be honest.

Yes I had no luck with your local AD. One found one AD in the South and they had a white 5711 in stock and a blue by end of year roughly.

Flex368 · 21 April 2016, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by aw662

Can't imagine an AD discount on the 5711 to be honest.

Then you´re wrong. As usual, it highly depends on your relationship with an AD.

aw662 · 21 April 2016, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Flex368

Then you´re wrong. As usual, it highly depends on your relationship with an AD.

Oh really?! That's really good news! I'd like to think the relationship I have with my AD is pretty good. My assumption of no discount came from the fact there's such a demand? Wasn't an educated guess. More of a stab in the dark.

THEPUMA · 21 April 2016, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Flex368

Then you´re wrong. As usual, it highly depends on your relationship with an AD.

What sort of discount do you think is achievable? This is my first purchase from them but I may well buy more in future.

Flex368 · 21 April 2016, 07:38 PM

I just said that there is the chance to get a discount from an AD.

Anything else would just be a wild guess as I know neither your AD nor your relationship with him. If the AD wants to grant you a discount you will know soon enough.

Phileas Fogg · 21 April 2016, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by martinr

Takuya has a bnib sealed 5712R in the FS section for a good price. Maybe he can ship overseas, wouldn't hurt to ask.

Might have to add tax and duty though :/

rebel_1 · 21 April 2016, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by aw662

Anyone manage to work a discount on their 5712r or know if it's possible? I'm really thinking about buying one.

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As AK797 said, you should be able to get at least 10% off. I've heard of higher discounts from others, but I've not seen more than 15 - 20% depending on the model. Biggest issue I've seen is availability. Patek makes so few watches compared to other brands. What may be readily available in one place may be hard get in another. When I decided on a 5726/1A, I bought it pretty much sight unseen. I tried it on earlier, but on a strap, not bracelet.

As for all of the talk about waiting lists for the 5711, I know one member here that waited no longer than a week or so to get his, so I'm not one to believe all of the hype surrounding these so called waiting lists. I'd tend to think these waiting lists are more geared around the ADs wanting to move the stock they have on hand rather than selling a watch they don't have at the moment.

PJ S · 21 April 2016, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by rebel_1

Biggest issue I've seen is availability. Patek makes so few watches compared to other brands.

All stage managed.
Patek make double what Audemars Piguet does, and about 8 times what A Lang & Sohne do – both of which don’t play the same stupid game.

KarlS · 22 April 2016, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by PJ S

All stage managed.
Patek make double what Audemars Piguet does, and about 8 times what A Lang & Sohne do – both of which don’t play the same stupid game.

Well someone is sure hiding them. I have never even seen a 5711 blue and in the last 6 weeks have visited AD's in Dubai, Kuwait, Hong Kong, Seoul and London. However a Daytona SS I found 2 a penny in Seoul and Dubai and fell over the black dial 5205's in Hong Kong there were so many. PP may make more watches but I think look at the composition. My view (imperfect as I am not a fan) is that AP pretty makes one watch and just adds colors and just the model number but they all the same. PP have from the calatrava to the gondonolo to the Twenty Four and more. I believe at least 12500 watches are quartz alone and I think the demand for PP is probably stronger. I will be in Florida for June / July and looking forward to the abundance of sought after models to view.

soundserious · 22 April 2016, 04:13 AM

Patek limits their production of steel watches. That is fact. Regardless of what total production is, the steel watches are a small percentage and will always be that way. HS has repeated this many times. Based on how the 5960 1a has performed would it be surprising to anyone if they limit production even more?

martinr · 22 April 2016, 05:54 AM

I think the 5960 1A is very unpopular and every AD I've been to in the last few months has one for sale. I think Patek was hoping for younger buyers but that hasn't happened. I like it and have owned it, but based on this forum and other reviews I've read everybody except me hates the bracelet. They can be had for 15% to 20% off and still don't move.

19 January 2016, 07:55 AM	#1
timeforachange "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: London Posts: 4	Best place to buy a new 5712R for UK based peson? Hi Guys, I would like to purchase a new 5712R but I'm not sure of the best place to source the watch at the best price? Happy to travel to collect it and would intend to pay via bank transfer. Is there a waiting list on this model at the moment? I've tried looking at local Patek ADs in the UK and I can't find this model in stock. This may be their lack of focus on Patek or perhaps because they are difficult to find. Just looking for the help on the experts on this forum to help me find the best way forward :) Thanks very much for reading! James

22 April 2016, 04:13 AM	#29
soundserious "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: usofmfa Posts: 3,157	Patek limits their production of steel watches. That is fact. Regardless of what total production is, the steel watches are a small percentage and will always be that way. HS has repeated this many times. Based on how the 5960 1a has performed would it be surprising to anyone if they limit production even more? __________________ Instagram: soundsoserious

19 January 2016, 11:23 AM	#2
AK797 Banned Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,278	Try Iconic, Official Watches and Watchfinder, all can get unworn ones from EU or UK.

19 January 2016, 04:41 PM	#3
timeforachange "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: London Posts: 4	Thanks, will call those three dealers. Do you think it would be worth contacting any European Dealers?

19 January 2016, 08:12 PM	#4
justdate "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Real Name: RJ Location: UK Coast Watch: PP/AP/Rolex Posts: 1,333	I bought an AP ROO from this shop in Knightsbridge and was happy with the watch and servicE. They are called H&Y Jewellery. Take a look on their site, they have various Pateks brand new.

20 January 2016, 04:01 AM	#5
cinch "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: uk Posts: 802	There is quite a new one on Watchfinder, still within warranty I think.

20 January 2016, 04:21 AM	#6
PJ S Banned Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: UK Posts: 3,990	https://www.chrono24.co.uk/patekphil...-id3660947.htm And the rest in EU member countries.

20 January 2016, 06:10 AM	#7
Oryx "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: London Posts: 1,887	5712 is relatively easy to get hold of - I would personally by from a UK AD over a grey seller. PM me if you need help tracking one down at an AD.

20 January 2016, 07:12 AM	#8
timeforachange "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: London Posts: 4	Thanks for your replies - I tried calling H&Y to ask about their one, but there was no answer. Will try again tomorrow. Also visited Wempe as I was around New Bond Street area. They checked with Patek whilst I was in their showroom as they didn't have one in stock. The advice was that they might not get one until August/September but they thought it might take until 2017. That's quite a wait! Can anyone also confirm current UK RRP on one of these? Wempe said the current list price was around £28,900 (I can't recall the exact figure from the brochure, but it was I think a few pounds around this level). If I am buying new, is there a material difference between buying from an AD or from a reseller using grey stock, presumably like H&Y?

20 January 2016, 08:09 AM	#9
MCMartiny "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Somewhere in time Watch: Lange & Patek Posts: 612	UK RRP for 5712R is £28,640

20 January 2016, 10:04 AM	#10
subbuteo "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Real Name: Joe Location: London, England Watch: Sub C Date Posts: 134	UK price list for all the Nautilus', Nautiluses, Nautili? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

21 January 2016, 12:51 AM	#11
timeforachange "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: London Posts: 4	Thanks so much Subbuteo and MCMartiny for posting the RRP prices. I really appreciate it.

23 January 2016, 12:22 AM	#12
enricotambunan "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: sydney - jakarta Posts: 191	Sydney, Australia. Prices in AUD obviously... Hope this helps :)

20 April 2016, 08:34 AM	#13
aw662 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Southampton Watch: Date Just ii Posts: 169	Anyone manage to work a discount on their 5712r or know if it's possible? I'm really thinking about buying one. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

21 April 2016, 04:48 AM	#15
THEPUMA "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Chartridge Posts: 2	Does anyone think there is any possibility of ever getting a discount off list for a 5711 with blue dial? Or am I in cloud cuckoo land given the length of the waiting lists?

21 April 2016, 06:03 AM	#16
martinr "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: California Posts: 3,099	Takuya has a bnib sealed 5712R in the FS section for a good price. Maybe he can ship overseas, wouldn't hurt to ask.

21 April 2016, 06:03 AM	#17
jsw7 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: UK Posts: 95	You can get a blue dial 5711 in the uk without too much waiting. I've been told by two ADs they have ones available this year. I am picking one up next week and only started trying to get one a few weeks ago. I am paying list though.

21 April 2016, 07:38 PM	#24
Flex368 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Real Name: Felix Location: GMT +1 Watch: Yes! Posts: 2,982	I just said that there is the chance to get a discount from an AD. Anything else would just be a wild guess as I know neither your AD nor your relationship with him. If the AD wants to grant you a discount you will know soon enough.

22 April 2016, 05:54 AM	#30
martinr "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: California Posts: 3,099	I think the 5960 1A is very unpopular and every AD I've been to in the last few months has one for sale. I think Patek was hoping for younger buyers but that hasn't happened. I like it and have owned it, but based on this forum and other reviews I've read everybody except me hates the bracelet. They can be had for 15% to 20% off and still don't move.

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