Shady grey dealer experience

[mrlube1151001]

36mm d.j is not a hard watch to get from A.D.Need a few visits build a good relationship with an S.A.Why go grey

[KatGirl]

Originally Posted by 1William

If a watch sale from eBay is over 2k then it automatically goes to the Authenticator. I would assume that the purchase came from an eBay seller away from the site. If not, why would you not use the free service provided by eBay? This post, like so many others, is really about money and the cost of watches in the secondary market. We have many Trusted Sellers who can deliver the watch you want by lunch the day after you pay and the watch be exactly as described. They also stand behind the watch and if an issue arises they handle it. Utilizing an AD is always an option but if you have been in the watch game for more then a minute it is broadly understood what occurs. Neither right or wrong but just the way that it is. This is where we see another constant theme which is people get their emotions into it and it becomes how they feel as opposed to what they think. If you want a regular production watch, 36mm DJ, or really almost any other watch then just find it, get your best price from a reputable dealer, buy it, get it, wear it and enjoy. It is not hard. Good luck on finding the watch you want.

Buyer cannot opt out of eBay’s authentication program, so he must have requested an “off site” purchase. Had he been more patient, the authenticatior would have picked up the flaw, and returned the watch to the seller, labeled “not as described”. So, this was a very honest seller, not in the least bit shady.

Kat


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[Edgeworth]

Originally Posted by KatGirl

Buyer cannot opt out of eBay’s authentication program, so he must have requested an “off site” purchase. Had he been more patient, the authenticatior would have picked up the flaw, and returned the watch to the seller, labeled “not as described”. So, this was a very honest seller, not in the least bit shady.

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I bought the watch through eBay. It did not go through authentication, was sent directly to me. I can pm you the name of seller. Most but not all of their Rolex watches include authentication. This model did not.

[Edgeworth]

Originally Posted by 1William

If a watch sale from eBay is over 2k then it automatically goes to the Authenticator. I would assume that the purchase came from an eBay seller away from the site. If not, why would you not use the free service provided by eBay? This post, like so many others, is really about money and the cost of watches in the secondary market. We have many Trusted Sellers who can deliver the watch you want by lunch the day after you pay and the watch be exactly as described. They also stand behind the watch and if an issue arises they handle it. Utilizing an AD is always an option but if you have been in the watch game for more then a minute it is broadly understood what occurs. Neither right or wrong but just the way that it is. This is where we see another constant theme which is people get their emotions into it and it becomes how they feel as opposed to what they think. If you want a regular production watch, 36mm DJ, or really almost any other watch then just find it, get your best price from a reputable dealer, buy it, get it, wear it and enjoy. It is not hard. Good luck on finding the watch you want.

A watch on eBay, regardless of price, will say “authenticity guarantee” at the top of the listing if it will be going through authentication process. I can definitely show you watches on eBay that are listed for over $2k and do not include the authenticity guarantee.

[Edgeworth]

Just as another example, any watch that has been “customized” is not eligible for eBay’s authentication service. A specific example would be a watch with any aftermarket parts, including the dial.

The vast majority of this seller’s watches include the “authenticity guarantee” and this is noted at the top of the listing. The watch I purchased did not state at the top of the listing that it included the “authenticity guarantee”. I did message the seller and ask if anything about the watch had been customized. They wrote me back and said everything was factory, but this watch was not included in the authentication program.

I decided to take a chance on the watch anyway, knowing I would take it to my own watch guy for inspection. In hindsight that was a mistake and I will not buy a watch again on eBay that doesn’t have the “authenticity guarantee” in the listing.

As I have stated, I sent the watch back to the dealer and got a prompt refund. The watch was quickly re-listed after I sent it back, again with no authenticity guarantee. Was this dealer “shady”? I kind of think so, other posters don’t.

[KatGirl]

Originally Posted by Edgeworth

Just as another example, any watch that has been “customized” is not eligible for eBay’s authentication service. A specific example would be a watch with any aftermarket parts, including the dial.

The vast majority of this seller’s watches include the “authenticity guarantee” and this is noted at the top of the listing. The watch I purchased did not state at the top of the listing that it included the “authenticity guarantee”. I did message the seller and ask if anything about the watch had been customized. They wrote me back and said everything was factory, but this watch was not included in the authentication program.

I decided to take a chance on the watch anyway, knowing I would take it to my own watch guy for inspection. In hindsight that was a mistake and I will not buy a watch again on eBay that doesn’t have the “authenticity guarantee” in the listing.

As I have stated, I sent the watch back to the dealer and got a prompt refund. The watch was quickly re-listed after I sent it back, again with no authenticity guarantee. Was this dealer “shady”? I kind of think so, other posters don’t.

Very strange. I helped my daughter buy a used Breitling Chronomat, for my son in law, last Christmas, ( the one Gordon Ramsey is seen wearing), and I thought that I read ,that any watch listed for over $2,000, had to go through the authentication program. The one we bought did. Now I’m confused by the policy.

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[Edgeworth]

Originally Posted by KatGirl

Very strange. I helped my daughter buy a used Breitling Chronomat, for my son in law, last Christmas, ( the one Gordon Ramsey is seen wearing), and I thought that I read ,that any watch listed for over $2,000, had to go through the authentication program. The one we bought did. Now I’m confused by the policy.

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There are plenty of watches that list for over $2k on eBay and don’t have the authenticity guarantee. eBay even allows you to filter your search results so that you only see watches with the authenticity guarantee.

I’m done with this topic. I created the thread to vent a little, both about the “shady” grey dealer and my AD. Ultimately this all worked out for me though so I can’t complain too much, I just learned a lesson.

[VonSomething]

So it was actually not a shady grey dealer experience? The seller honored the return and refunded you in full..?

I do wonder why anyone would buy a "new" watch without papers. That's the only shady part about this transaction.

3-4 seconds per day could be due to various things, how the watch was resting over night etc.

A noticable stutter from the seconds hand. Well, it beats 8 times per second, that can cause fake stuttering depending on angle and rotating you keep the watch in while looking at it. In fact, if you ever so slightly rotate the watch just a few degrees while looking at it, you can make it seem as if the seconds hand doesn't move at all for up to a couple of seconds.

[Harry-57]

Originally Posted by Edgeworth

I did message the seller and ask if anything about the watch had been customized. They wrote me back and said everything was factory, but this watch was not included in the authentication program.

That was the red flag.

Glad to hear you got it resolved. A lesson learned, but not the hard way on this occasion.

[Moonwatcher]

Originally Posted by CarlOver

Not all AD are like that. The frustration is there since we have heard it from many. No 36 DJ in 3 year period offered to you just sounds weird. Maybe time to reach out to store manager and have an honest discussion unless you don’t want any more Rolex watches.

It sounds weird indeed. I got on the list at a (swiss, FWIW) AD in December 22 for a dj41 126334, blue sunburst, fluted, jubilee, stick markers, hence a relatively desirable DJ, amongst other DJ’s. I was quoted one year max, made up my mind, went there at the beginning of November and changed to 36 (glad i did!), saleslady then told me it could be even faster. Even though i had at the same time politely turned down a 126713 GRNR i was on the list for at the same AD, as i had acquired mine 2 months before at another AD, i actually received an e-mail for the 126234 within the announced timeframe and picked it up a week ago.

I appreciate their reliable, no BS approach and was actually so pleased that a few days ago, while wearing my DJ, i showed up, had a chat, and asked to join the list for a 126710 BLRO, for which they quoted 2-3 years, approx. They were upfront in telling me that, basically, acquiring a classic Rolex, "even" an OP, was one of the prerequisites for checking the client’s seriousness about the brand, i.e. separating flippers from wearers, about getting on the list for the desirable ss pieces. It might have helped that i was actually wearing the watch i had previously bought, so no flipping BNIB, and that my attitude was the polar opposite of the many tourists’, who were constantly entering and leaving the store after having unsuccessfully asked for Subs, Daytonas, GMT’s….you name it…
Also, in my very modest experience, but this shouldn’t be big news to anyone here, it helps to show you are, more or less, educated about the product you want to purchase. So, if you ask for a, say, "126710 BLRO", explaining that you prefer it over a GRNR or a BLNR for instance, rather than just asking for a "Professional Rolex, no matter which", or even for a "GMT".
Of course, if the AD is not sincere about their allocation "politics", nothing helps i guess…
All the best for 2024 to you all!

[fly4food84]

Originally Posted by train-time

Hey Gary, do you think that they would give you a SS Daytona for $100K spend worth of jewelry? That's slightly less than half of what I was told by my local AD to get one at retail.

I bought a Daytona at my AD with no spend history and only took 4 months. It’s a lot of things and a little bit of luck. If you walk in with a good and fun attitude that sales rep with fight for you to get one.

[BraveBold]

Originally Posted by fly4food84

I bought a Daytona at my AD with no spend history and only took 4 months. It’s a lot of things and a little bit of luck. If you walk in with a good and fun attitude that sales rep with fight for you to get one.

SS Daytona with no spend in 4 months?

Any advice from you is akin to advice from a Powerball winner on how to pick winning numbers.

[VonSomething]

Originally Posted by BraveBold

SS Daytona with no spend in 4 months?

Any advice from you is akin to advice from a Powerball winner on how to pick winning numbers.

I think he just means some daytona, never said stainless. As far as I can tell, he did purchase a SS Daytona on the secondary market.

[Nico81]

Originally Posted by garyk

So here we are in the 2023 holiday season. I attended an event with my wife at a Rolex AD Jewelry store last night and was told by a very good old friend and SA, he can get me the BLNR if I buy 50 grand worth of jewelry. So games are still being played! Unbelievable!!

I hope you started laughing at his face for 30 minutes


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[NachoNeal]

Originally Posted by Edgeworth

. . . I’m done with this topic. I created the thread to vent a little, both about the “shady” grey dealer and my AD. Ultimately this all worked out for me though so I can’t complain too much, I just learned a lesson.