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eric23 · 1 October 2011, 12:21 AM

Good Day All,

Whats your thoughts on PAM 233? Is it worth the 15K? How is the movement? I like the look of the glass!

Thanks,

Eric

B. Doggy · 1 October 2011, 01:16 AM

They're real nice watches. I was once on "the hunt" for one, however I started looking at other pieces instead. They tend to go in and out of vogue, but are highly regarded in the PAM community, especially the "dot" dial. Some of the older versions were known to have movement issues, although those problems have since been fixed. Worth $15K? That's your call. They can be had for less on the grey/secondary markets.

Good luck!

eric23 · 1 October 2011, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by B. Doggy

They're real nice watches. I was once on "the hunt" for one, however I started looking at other pieces instead. They tend to go in and out of vogue, but are highly regarded in the PAM community, especially the "dot" dial. Some of the older versions were known to have movement issues, although those problems have since been fixed. Worth $15K? That's your call. They can be had for less on the grey/secondary markets.

Good luck!

I was searching online, I guess you are right there has been a lot of issues in the past.

Does anyone know how many a year they make?

nauticajoe · 1 October 2011, 02:26 AM

There were 4500 pieces of the dot dial made - Series I, J, & K. The bulk of the pr indicator problems came from the I series, which PAM fixed free of charge.
I've purchased 2 bnib K serials; both having no issues whatsoever.

MDUB · 1 October 2011, 04:02 AM

Here's mine -

No issues, no problems, just enjoyment and did not pay anywhere close to full reatail on it.

dalip · 1 October 2011, 04:07 AM

Definitely a PAM I want .....sits amazingly well on the wrist. Love the dial and case. 8 day PR...A winner IMO.

eric23 · 1 October 2011, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MDUB

Here's mine -

No issues, no problems, just enjoyment and did not pay anywhere close to full reatail on it.

I am really starting to like that watch, thanks for the photo!

B. Doggy · 1 October 2011, 07:54 AM

...Oh, some people like the "fang" and some don't. Personal preference.

red1108nyc · 1 October 2011, 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eric23

Good Day All,

Whats your thoughts on PAM 233? Is it worth the 15K? How is the movement? I like the look of the glass!

Thanks,

Eric

233 is the modern day Pam.. first in house 8 day movement keeps perfect pace with my daytona and the look... ooozing with class.. and easy to dress with different strap combinations!

I think a carefully worn one can be had for about $9K area.. so if you like it, start the hunt!

Best,

Fred

eric23 · 1 October 2011, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by red1108nyc

233 is the modern day Pam.. first in house 8 day movement keeps perfect pace with my daytona and the look... ooozing with class.. and easy to dress with different strap combinations!

I think a carefully worn one can be had for about $9K area.. so if you like it, start the hunt!

Best,

Fred

I just love that domed glass!

nauticajoe · 1 October 2011, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by eric23

I just love that domed glass!

X2 Eric. That's the feature that sealed the deal for me.

Here's another shot from another angle for you:

eric23 · 1 October 2011, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by nauticajoe

X2 Eric. That's the feature that sealed the deal for me.

Here's another shot from another angle for you:

Your killing me

I might have to get one of those!

HL65 · 1 October 2011, 12:13 PM

I had one and liked it quite a bit! As for $15k price- I paid nowhere even close to that for it- Waaay less!

eric23 · 1 October 2011, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SteelerFan65

I had one and liked it quite a bit! As for $15k price- I paid nowhere even close to that for it- Waaay less!

List price in Canada is 15,500.00 (CAD).

HL65 · 1 October 2011, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by eric23

List price in Canada is 15,500.00 (CAD).

I understand that but I wouldn't pay that unless one wants to take a bath on the other side! Again- I paid nowhere even close to that!

eric23 · 1 October 2011, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SteelerFan65

I understand that but I wouldn't pay that unless one wants to take a bath on the other side! Again- I paid nowhere even close to that!

That's true, This might be a good one to find used I guess.

MP5 · 1 October 2011, 01:35 PM

PAM 233 is a great PAM. I cant believe it was anywhere near 15K. If so I should have bought the one at the NOLA AD for 11 something

bcacncnc · 1 October 2011, 02:31 PM

I have a 233. Its a great all round watch - with a lot of complications. One thing to consider is, comfort and fit on your wrist and whether you own or plan to own any other PAM. WRT comfort and fit, I have also worn the standard Luminor and the 47mm Rad. In terms of comfort - the 233 being the thickest and chunkiest, actually means that on the wrist it is not as comfortable as the other two case types. That doesn't mean its uncomfortable, its a relative thing. Also depends on your wrist shape and size. I have very small wrists. I think you can pick one up LNIB for around 10K USD or BNIB around 12K.

Frankly, it is a real show stopper watch on the street due to its (thickness) size and domed glass and presence. I get lots of people glancing at it.

Good luck with your hunt.

Oh btw - the 8 day movement is very very smooth.

eric23 · 2 October 2011, 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bcacncnc

I have a 233. Its a great all round watch - with a lot of complications. One thing to consider is, comfort and fit on your wrist and whether you own or plan to own any other PAM. WRT comfort and fit, I have also worn the standard Luminor and the 47mm Rad. In terms of comfort - the 233 being the thickest and chunkiest, actually means that on the wrist it is not as comfortable as the other two case types. That doesn't mean its uncomfortable, its a relative thing. Also depends on your wrist shape and size. I have very small wrists.

Thanks, I will try it on next week again at my AD.

TSW · 2 October 2011, 05:26 AM

Love the case and the domed glass!

vincent_drlin · 6 October 2011, 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by red1108nyc

233 is the modern day Pam.. first in house 8 day movement keeps perfect pace with my daytona and the look... ooozing with class.. and easy to dress with different strap combinations!

I think a carefully worn one can be had for about $9K area.. so if you like it, start the hunt!

Best,

Fred

pretty dome...233 a real beauty!

rolexcd · 7 October 2011, 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eric23

I was searching online, I guess you are right there has been a lot of issues in the past.

Does anyone know how many a year they make?

Production started as I series in FY07 with 1500 made that year.
FY08 1000 units
FY09 2000 units
FY10 1000 units (24 hour indicator with hand instead of disc)
FY11 800 units
FY12 1000 units

Cru Jones · 7 October 2011, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by dalip

Definitely a PAM I want .....sits amazingly well on the wrist. Love the dial and case. 8 day PR...A winner IMO.

hey dalip,

i remember you being in the same boat as me as far as not being lucky with how the 1950s case sits on the wrist....

how is the 233 different for you?

(maybe i shouldn't ask, 'cause i've always secretly lusted after this watch, but, assumed i could never pull it off (haven't been lucky enough to try one on)).

ocwatching · 7 October 2011, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Cru Jones

hey dalip,

i remember you being in the same boat as me as far as not being lucky with how the 1950s case sits on the wrist....

how is the 233 different for you?

(maybe i shouldn't ask, 'cause i've always secretly lusted after this watch, but, assumed i could never pull it off (haven't been lucky enough to try one on)).

without the auto's rotor so it sits flatter on the wrist and the dome in all its glory...I like it much better...

1CO · 10 October 2011, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by eric23

Good Day All,

Whats your thoughts on PAM 233? Is it worth the 15K? How is the movement? I like the look of the glass!

Thanks,

Eric

Great Panerai for the money. Go prewoned, you can find them in 9-9.5k range anyday.

eric23 · 11 October 2011, 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1CO

Great Panerai for the money. Go prewoned, you can find them in 9-9.5k range anyday.

I kind of want to get my first Panerai new.

justhideandwatch · 13 October 2011, 03:24 PM

LOVE my 233! I've owned it longer than any of my other PAMs, or any of my other watches for that matter.

justhideandwatch · 13 October 2011, 03:27 PM

Almost forgot...here's a pic of mine:

eric23 · 14 October 2011, 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justhideandwatch

Almost forgot...here's a pic of mine:

Nice!

dalip · 14 October 2011, 04:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

hey dalip,

i remember you being in the same boat as me as far as not being lucky with how the 1950s case sits on the wrist....

how is the 233 different for you?

(maybe i shouldn't ask, 'cause i've always secretly lusted after this watch, but, assumed i could never pull it off (haven't been lucky enough to try one on)).

Hey Cru....As Phil stated above it sits much flatter and the crystal is sublime . Everytime I've tried it on I immediately love it. This one may usurp the exp2 42!!!

1 October 2011, 12:21 AM	#1
eric23 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Eric Location: Calgary Posts: 9,595	Thoughts on PAM 233 Good Day All, Whats your thoughts on PAM 233? Is it worth the 15K? How is the movement? I like the look of the glass! Thanks, Eric

1 October 2011, 01:16 AM	#2
B. Doggy "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Bryan Location: Oregon Posts: 7,399	They're real nice watches. I was once on "the hunt" for one, however I started looking at other pieces instead. They tend to go in and out of vogue, but are highly regarded in the PAM community, especially the "dot" dial. Some of the older versions were known to have movement issues, although those problems have since been fixed. Worth $15K? That's your call. They can be had for less on the grey/secondary markets. Good luck! __________________ Rolex / Panerai / Omega

1 October 2011, 04:02 AM	#5
MDUB Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Real Name: Marc Location: SoCal Posts: 65	I'm a fan Here's mine - No issues, no problems, just enjoyment and did not pay anywhere close to full reatail on it.

1 October 2011, 04:07 AM	#6
dalip "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Dalip Location: Mumbai and Perth Watch: Rolex PAM Omega Posts: 18,656	Definitely a PAM I want .....sits amazingly well on the wrist. Love the dial and case. 8 day PR...A winner IMO. __________________ ------------------------------------------------------------ *"The liar's punishment is not in the least that he is not believed, but that he cannot believe anyone else." George Bernard Shaw*

1 October 2011, 07:54 AM	#8
B. Doggy "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Bryan Location: Oregon Posts: 7,399	...Oh, some people like the "fang" and some don't. Personal preference. __________________ Rolex / Panerai / Omega

1 October 2011, 02:26 AM	#4
nauticajoe "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Joe Location: PA Posts: 14,774	There were 4500 pieces of the dot dial made - Series I, J, & K. The bulk of the pr indicator problems came from the I series, which PAM fixed free of charge. I've purchased 2 bnib K serials; both having no issues whatsoever.

1 October 2011, 12:13 PM	#13
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 63,401	I had one and liked it quite a bit! As for $15k price- I paid nowhere even close to that for it- Waaay less! __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

1 October 2011, 01:35 PM	#17
MP5 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 X2 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: ATX Posts: 2,881	PAM 233 is a great PAM. I cant believe it was anywhere near 15K. If so I should have bought the one at the NOLA AD for 11 something

1 October 2011, 02:31 PM	#18
bcacncnc "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Bryan Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,577	I have a 233. Its a great all round watch - with a lot of complications. One thing to consider is, comfort and fit on your wrist and whether you own or plan to own any other PAM. WRT comfort and fit, I have also worn the standard Luminor and the 47mm Rad. In terms of comfort - the 233 being the thickest and chunkiest, actually means that on the wrist it is not as comfortable as the other two case types. That doesn't mean its uncomfortable, its a relative thing. Also depends on your wrist shape and size. I have very small wrists. I think you can pick one up LNIB for around 10K USD or BNIB around 12K. Frankly, it is a real show stopper watch on the street due to its (thickness) size and domed glass and presence. I get lots of people glancing at it. Good luck with your hunt. Oh btw - the 8 day movement is very very smooth. __________________ Omega Panerai Chopard Grand Seiko

2 October 2011, 05:26 AM	#20
TSW "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: TSW Location: Le Brassus Watch: Rolex & AP's Posts: 27,449	Love the case and the domed glass! __________________ AP Owners Club IG @swiss.watch.connection

13 October 2011, 03:24 PM	#27
justhideandwatch Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: San Diego Posts: 51	LOVE my 233! I've owned it longer than any of my other PAMs, or any of my other watches for that matter.

13 October 2011, 03:27 PM	#28
justhideandwatch Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: San Diego Posts: 51	Almost forgot...here's a pic of mine:

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