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Old 28 November 2018, 11:19 PM   #1
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GMT bezel: Does the flat spring go under or over the click spring?

I've seen it both ways on youtube vids, what is correct?
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Old 28 November 2018, 11:34 PM   #2
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Flat spring goes down first. Click spring gets inserted in the hole and swung over into position. Bezel rocks up underneath the spring and snaps over the washer onto the retaining ring. Rotate the teeth to align as desired. Then, install your insert with the triangle aligned at top dead center.

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Which click spring do you have? Is it the older short one or newer long one?
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Old 29 November 2018, 12:04 AM   #3
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Flat one underneath.
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Old 29 November 2018, 12:16 AM   #4
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Thank you for your very clear response. I have no point of reference on the length. The click spring is there, is that long or short? lol I am putting an aftermarket GMT bezel on my 16570 because I want to. :)

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Old 29 November 2018, 02:27 AM   #5
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I don't really know what you mean exactly, but from what I can tell that looks like the correct spring.
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Old 29 November 2018, 02:38 AM   #6
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That's the correct spring for a GMT. You have the older version rather than the updated version.

The new one is a bit softer and more even in rotating each direction.
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Old 29 November 2018, 02:39 AM   #7
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I don't really know what you mean exactly, but from what I can tell that looks like the correct spring.
I was responding to 037's question. Thanks for your info.
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Old 29 November 2018, 02:40 AM   #8
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On second glance, it looks like all of your parts are aftermarket. Be careful installing these as you're likely to run into sealing issues with your crystal.
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Old 29 November 2018, 02:48 AM   #9
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That's the correct spring for a GMT. You have the older version rather than the updated version.

The new one is a bit softer and more even in rotating each direction.
Thats quite a bit longer! I just hope all this stuff works!
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Old 29 November 2018, 02:21 PM   #10
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Let us know how it goes. We're living vicariously through you on this one!
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Old 1 December 2018, 07:39 AM   #11
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it's the #V-795 part that has us all concerned. You really should get a genuine Rolex version of thar part.
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Old 1 December 2018, 04:01 PM   #12
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couldn't agree with you more, RolliWorks. i wouldn't let that thing get near my GMT (um, if i had one, that is...)
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Agree with the above. Don’t put on aftermarket parts that are crucial for water resistance. Or any aftermarket parts that can’t be identified as aftermarket with just a look at the watch
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Why would you put that on anyway and not just the bezel/insert?
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Why would you put that on anyway and not just the bezel/insert?
Richard has a 16570 Explorer II and wants to convert it to having a GMT bezel. Fun project but the aftermarket parts might make the end result rather interesting. I'm genuinely hoping for the best but expecting something else entirely.
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Richard has a 16570 Explorer II and wants to convert it to having a GMT bezel. Fun project but the aftermarket parts might make the end result rather interesting. I'm genuinely hoping for the best but expecting something else entirely.
Hmm I must have read over that.

Good luck Richard, shoot me a PM if it ends up full of water
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Hmm I must have read over that.
No worries. It was in a separate thread. https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=639363

I didn't realize the 16570 accepted these parts until looking into it. I'd consider the mod myself but would gladly drop the $1500-2000 or whatever required to make it happen purely because I don't trust the tolerances of aftermarket parts.
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Old 2 December 2018, 04:46 AM   #18
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Post pics! I haven't seen this mod before.
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Old 2 December 2018, 07:36 AM   #19
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These are GMT hands, not Explorer polar hands, but you'll get the idea.



Source: http://www.rolexmagazine.com/2008/05...ts-by-pcs.html
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These are GMT hands, not Explorer polar hands, but you'll get the idea.



Source: http://www.rolexmagazine.com/2008/05...ts-by-pcs.html


Hmmm.


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Hmmm.


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Hmm I kinda dig the white explorer dial with the Pepsi bezel.
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Old 2 December 2018, 12:13 PM   #22
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Before using that crystal ring I would make sure it is absolutely flat. Use a steel ruler if possible.

That click spring I have used before. If it is to tight you can bend it to loosen it up. Or bend it the other way if it is too loose.

Good luck.
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These are GMT hands, not Explorer polar hands, but you'll get the idea.



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Hmmm I kinda dig the white explorer dial with the Pepsi bezel.
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Hmmm.
The Pepsi is a little too Seiko for me but the black isn't bad. I'd have to see it in person to make a final call.



This with proper black hands from the polar dial might be alright...
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Might as well go all out and throw a Jubilee on it as well.


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Might as well go all out and throw a Jubilee on it as well.
Now you're onto something...
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OK I've never taken the bezel off a sapphire before and the damn crystal came off with the bezel. Is that normal? From which side would I push the crystal out? Is the gasket reusable?

lol Hope this isn't one of those projects I end up taking a bag of parts to a watchmaker. :)
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OK I've never taken the bezel off a sapphire before and the damn crystal came off with the bezel. Is that normal? From which side would I push the crystal out? Is the gasket reusable?

lol Hope this isn't one of those projects I end up taking a bag of parts to a watchmaker. :)
Yeah that happens sometimes, I'd push it from the inside out. Gasket could be damaged and I personally never re-use a gasket but if it doesn't have any visible damage you should be good.

Make sure to clean the crystal thoroughly with a microfiber cloth before, then click it back into the gasket, make sure there is no dust on the inside.

Put it on the rehaut and press the bezel over the gasket, I recommend using a bit of fomblin on the inside of the bezel before pressing it secure over the gasket, they can be a little tight.

How are you going to line up your loupe though, eye-balling it?
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Yeah that happens sometimes, I'd push it from the inside out. Gasket could be damaged and I personally never re-use a gasket but if it doesn't have any visible damage you should be good.

Make sure to clean the crystal thoroughly with a microfiber cloth before, then click it back into the gasket, make sure there is no dust on the inside.

Put it on the rehaut and press the bezel over the gasket, I recommend using a bit of fomblin on the inside of the bezel before pressing it secure over the gasket, they can be a little tight.

How are you going to line up your loupe though, eye-balling it?
What is the loupe? Yes, I am eyeballing, spitballing, shucking and jiving and on a wing and a prayer. If I can get this together and I like it which I believe I will. I will take it to a watchmaker for a pro refit.

The 16570 runs great but I'd like a new crystal, gaskets, crown and tube and then when timing degrades at some point, have it serviced.

This is a hell of a lot more involved than I thought it would be, I've only torn up 4 digits refs before.
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What is the loupe? Yes, I am eyeballing, spitballing, shucking and jiving and on a wing and a prayer. If I can get this together and I like it which I believe I will. I will take it to a watchmaker for a pro refit.

The 16570 runs great but I'd like a new crystal, gaskets, crown and tube and then when timing degrades at some point, have it serviced.

This is a hell of a lot more involved than I thought it would be, I've only torn up 4 digits refs before.
What tools are you using to fit it all back together?
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