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TimoR · 21 March 2018, 09:05 AM

I have an opportunity to buy Fat Lady from a trusted seller. There are no papers, only the watch. As per seller, the watch is either 1986 or 1987.

The watch has been kept in the safety bax most of the time since purchase. Exterior condition of the watch appears very good. No knowledge of service history - I assume it has not been service as it has been is a safety box for a long time.

I would appreciate opinions on the fair value of the watch.

Thanks
Timo

Mik8yu · 21 March 2018, 11:16 AM

The lume on the hands does not match the dial. Is this usually the case ? I have seen fat lady with box and paper going for crazy value of late. But I would love to hear expert chiming in

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TimoR · 22 March 2018, 02:45 AM

It is my understanding that the hands are original.
I have read somewhere that it is a common issue for 16760 Fat Ladys and 16750 watches. The dial lume darkens more than the hands.

TimoR · 22 March 2018, 06:26 AM

According to the original owner, everything is original.

I also read somewhere that it is a common issue on 16760 Fat Ladys and 16750 watches. The dial lume darkens more than the hands.

lee fowler · 22 March 2018, 07:01 AM

Do the hands glow?

TimoR · 22 March 2018, 07:20 AM

No, the hands do not glow - nothing glows

Here is another pic

springer · 22 March 2018, 08:07 AM

How about placing some photos here in the thread.

TimoR · 22 March 2018, 08:31 AM

I tried but place photos but I do not know how to do it.

roh123 · 22 March 2018, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TimoR

I tried but place photos but I do not know how to do it.

Try unzipping them before trying to upload. Wont work otherwise.

TimoR · 22 March 2018, 03:09 PM

Here are better photos

IMG_7212.jpg

IMG_7111.jpg

springer · 22 March 2018, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimoR

According to the original owner, everything is original.

I also read somewhere that it is a common issue on 16760 Fat Ladys and 16750 watches. The dial lume darkens more than the hands.

Sounds like wishful thinking. The hands appear to have been changed at some point.

sensui · 22 March 2018, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by springer

Sounds like wishful thinking. The hands appear to have been changed at some point.

Seconded....that is too big of a difference for me to even consider the possibility of them being original.

saskmh · 23 March 2018, 05:26 AM

That's a service crystal too.

TimoR · 23 March 2018, 05:44 AM

Can you elaborate more? Why do you think it is service crystal?

saskmh · 23 March 2018, 06:52 AM

The original crystal on the fat lady was a 2mm thick sapphire with a beveled edge. It had a sharp edge to the top of the bevel. Service crystals after a certain date had a rounded edge to the top of the bevel instead of the sharp edge. From those pictures it looks like the rounded edge version. If you could get a picture from the side it would confirm either way.

TimoR · 23 March 2018, 07:16 AM

Thanks for the explanation. I appreciate all the feedback. Here are some pics of the crystal.
btw. I already purchased the watch, now I just wonder whether it was a good or bad purchase...

IMG_7231.jpg

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saskmh · 23 March 2018, 07:56 AM

Well from that angle it is clearly not the round edge service crystal.

You will find lots of folks here with very strong opinions on having everything match perfectly. In the end, if you like the watch wear it and enjoy. I think it's a good looking Fat Lady.

storm66 · 23 March 2018, 08:33 AM

Yum!.......I like it

chows99 · 24 March 2018, 01:28 AM

I think the watch looks nice overall. If the replacement hands bother you, you can get it colour matched by some good watchmaker.

TimoR · 24 March 2018, 01:56 AM

Thanks for all the feedback and comments.

Just based on the fact that I know the seller (original owner) and fully trust him, I cannot believe the hands are replacements. The watch has been practically unused for 30 years. The watch even has a green sticker still behind the back. The seller is 100% certain that no parts have been changed.

Initially, I was hoping to get some value estimates for the watch. Assuming the hands are original and the watch is in mint condition, how would you value it? No box, no papers, only the watch and R hand tag

Thanks

LnL · 30 March 2018, 05:52 AM

FWIW, here is a picture showing the original dial/hands (according to previous owner, that is) and the service dial/hands he had installed on my 1985 vintage Fat Lady.

In real life, the original dial does not look nearly as dramatic as it does when enlarged and with strong lighting.

rolstaff · 30 March 2018, 06:28 AM

Maybe 11 - 12K USD....

swish77 · 30 March 2018, 09:58 AM

I’d say closer to $8K for this watch. The case has been quite polished too.

Tom1675 · 30 March 2018, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by rolstaff

Maybe 11 - 12K USD....

Quote:

Originally Posted by swish77

I’d say closer to $8K for this watch. The case has been quite polished too.

And I'm in between... its been polished but original... hands can age differently and in some pics its a better match than others.

22 March 2018, 07:01 AM	#5
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22 March 2018, 08:07 AM	#7
springer 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,195	How about placing some photos here in the thread. __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

23 March 2018, 05:26 AM	#13
saskmh "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 1,027	That's a service crystal too. __________________ RCN (Canadian) Tudor Milsub database co-manager

23 March 2018, 06:52 AM	#15
saskmh "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 1,027	The original crystal on the fat lady was a 2mm thick sapphire with a beveled edge. It had a sharp edge to the top of the bevel. Service crystals after a certain date had a rounded edge to the top of the bevel instead of the sharp edge. From those pictures it looks like the rounded edge version. If you could get a picture from the side it would confirm either way. __________________ RCN (Canadian) Tudor Milsub database co-manager

23 March 2018, 07:56 AM	#17
saskmh "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 1,027	Well from that angle it is clearly not the round edge service crystal. You will find lots of folks here with very strong opinions on having everything match perfectly. In the end, if you like the watch wear it and enjoy. I think it's a good looking Fat Lady. __________________ RCN (Canadian) Tudor Milsub database co-manager

21 March 2018, 11:16 AM	#2
Mik8yu "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Hong kong Posts: 147	The lume on the hands does not match the dial. Is this usually the case ? I have seen fat lady with box and paper going for crazy value of late. But I would love to hear expert chiming in Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

22 March 2018, 02:45 AM	#3
TimoR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: LOS ALTOS/ CA Posts: 10	It is my understanding that the hands are original. I have read somewhere that it is a common issue for 16760 Fat Ladys and 16750 watches. The dial lume darkens more than the hands.

22 March 2018, 06:26 AM	#4
TimoR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: LOS ALTOS/ CA Posts: 10	According to the original owner, everything is original. I also read somewhere that it is a common issue on 16760 Fat Ladys and 16750 watches. The dial lume darkens more than the hands.

22 March 2018, 08:31 AM	#8
TimoR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: LOS ALTOS/ CA Posts: 10	I tried but place photos but I do not know how to do it.

22 March 2018, 03:09 PM	#10
TimoR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: LOS ALTOS/ CA Posts: 10	Here are better photos IMG_7212.jpg IMG_7111.jpg

23 March 2018, 05:44 AM	#14
TimoR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: LOS ALTOS/ CA Posts: 10	Can you elaborate more? Why do you think it is service crystal?

23 March 2018, 07:16 AM	#16
TimoR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: LOS ALTOS/ CA Posts: 10	Thanks for the explanation. I appreciate all the feedback. Here are some pics of the crystal. btw. I already purchased the watch, now I just wonder whether it was a good or bad purchase... IMG_7231.jpg IMG_7229.jpg IMG_7227.jpg IMG_7226.jpg IMG_7225.jpg

23 March 2018, 08:33 AM	#18
storm66 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: london Posts: 842	Yum!.......I like it

24 March 2018, 01:28 AM	#19
chows99 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Singapore Posts: 604	I think the watch looks nice overall. If the replacement hands bother you, you can get it colour matched by some good watchmaker.

30 March 2018, 06:28 AM	#22
rolstaff Banned Join Date: Mar 2014 Real Name: Juergen Location: Utah Watch: GMT Posts: 308	Maybe 11 - 12K USD....

30 March 2018, 09:58 AM	#23
swish77 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Aaron Location: CT/NYC Watch: ing the time! Posts: 6,789	I’d say closer to $8K for this watch. The case has been quite polished too.

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