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Old 22 September 2021, 11:44 AM   #1
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Buy the buyer?

In process of first transaction on TRF as a seller, have an interested party overseas. Long time member (2014) but no posts, no purchases, etc. Not really sure how to vet him, just wondering what red flags to look for from the seller side of this. If he is willing to wire/bank transfer or the like, what is my exposure? Is there any? I requested an address so I could accurate calculate shipping and it checks out, or at least it's a real address, be it a business, which in itself I don't think is a big deal.

I've been a buyer several times so that part I'm familiar with/know what to look for (buy the seller!) however never sold on here before, so I myself have no references, so seems like the trust onus, if you will, is entirely on his end, although this can't be accurate, can it?

Any help from more experienced sellers would be appreciated, and hope this is in the right forum. Thanks in advance!!
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Old 22 September 2021, 04:18 PM   #2
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If the seller requests a WIRE you are 99% guaranteed to lose the money and never get the watch. Especially overseas - even more to worry about with that aspect.
Read all the horror stories here at TRF of buyers who went the WIRE route.
You have now been warned about wire transfers. We hear just TOO many stories of WIRE ripoffs!
If they won't accept world-wide credit cards (VISA, AMEX) it is time for you to move on.
You cannot be too careful.

(NOTE this does NOT apply to reputable brick-and-mortar resellers such as DAVIDSW and TAKUYA who have long-term honest selling practices and long-term history with watch buyers, and with watch sites such as TRF.)
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Old 22 September 2021, 04:33 PM   #3
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OP is saying he's the seller, looking for advice to vet a buyer.
As long as the wire hits your account you should be fine. AFAIK there's no way to recall a wire once it's completed. The big risk here is on the buyer.
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Old 22 September 2021, 05:49 PM   #4
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If the seller requests a WIRE you are 99% guaranteed to lose the money and never get the watch. Especially overseas - even more to worry about with that aspect.
Read all the horror stories here at TRF of buyers who went the WIRE route.
You have now been warned about wire transfers. We hear just TOO many stories of WIRE ripoffs!
If they won't accept world-wide credit cards (VISA, AMEX) it is time for you to move on.
You cannot be too careful.

(NOTE this does NOT apply to reputable brick-and-mortar resellers such as DAVIDSW and TAKUYA who have long-term honest selling practices and long-term history with watch buyers, and with watch sites such as TRF.)
Hmmm, cz 99% of overseas sellers are crooks.
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Old 22 September 2021, 05:57 PM   #5
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In process of first transaction on TRF as a seller, have an interested party overseas. Long time member (2014) but no posts, no purchases, etc. Not really sure how to vet him, just wondering what red flags to look for from the seller side of this. If he is willing to wire/bank transfer or the like, what is my exposure? Is there any? I requested an address so I could accurate calculate shipping and it checks out, or at least it's a real address, be it a business, which in itself I don't think is a big deal.

I've been a buyer several times so that part I'm familiar with/know what to look for (buy the seller!) however never sold on here before, so I myself have no references, so seems like the trust onus, if you will, is entirely on his end, although this can't be accurate, can it?

Any help from more experienced sellers would be appreciated, and hope this is in the right forum. Thanks in advance!!
If he has no history or valid references, ask for a wire. Only ship after "CLEARED" funds in your account. To be clear with the buyer and avoid misunderstandings, clarify transfer fees or use "$xx amount net to you"
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Old 22 September 2021, 06:13 PM   #6
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If the seller requests a WIRE you are 99% guaranteed to lose the money and never get the watch. Especially overseas - even more to worry about with that aspect.
Read all the horror stories here at TRF of buyers who went the WIRE route.
You have now been warned about wire transfers. We hear just TOO many stories of WIRE ripoffs!
If they won't accept world-wide credit cards (VISA, AMEX) it is time for you to move on.
You cannot be too careful.

(NOTE this does NOT apply to reputable brick-and-mortar resellers such as DAVIDSW and TAKUYA who have long-term honest selling practices and long-term history with watch buyers, and with watch sites such as TRF.)
Triwater IS the seller.
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Old 23 September 2021, 01:11 AM   #7
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I would NOT sell (or buy) "overseas" - plenty buyers and sellers here in the states.
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Old 23 September 2021, 04:53 AM   #8
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I would NOT sell (or buy) "overseas" - plenty buyers and sellers here in the states.
Definitely that.
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Old 24 September 2021, 03:14 PM   #9
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If the seller requests a WIRE you are 99% guaranteed to lose the money and never get the watch. Especially overseas - even more to worry about with that aspect.
Read all the horror stories here at TRF of buyers who went the WIRE route.
You have now been warned about wire transfers. We hear just TOO many stories of WIRE ripoffs!
If they won't accept world-wide credit cards (VISA, AMEX) it is time for you to move on.
You cannot be too careful.

(NOTE this does NOT apply to reputable brick-and-mortar resellers such as DAVIDSW and TAKUYA who have long-term honest selling practices and long-term history with watch buyers, and with watch sites such as TRF.)
As my wise and thoughtful mother use to tell my father, which I repeat here for you...Stop it...you're scaring the kids with your nonsense.

There are dozens and dozens of reputable sellers here on TRF, many that are not dealers. Additionally, I along with many others can be counted as one of the thousands and thousands of deals that have been done successfully by payment with wire transfers. And, for those that don't realize it, many of the member sellers here that aren't dealers but instead are flippers or weekend sellers, most do not take credit cards. Just be careful out there.
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Old 24 September 2021, 03:38 PM   #10
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If the seller requests a WIRE you are 99% guaranteed to lose the money and never get the watch. Especially overseas - even more to worry about with that aspect.
Read all the horror stories here at TRF of buyers who went the WIRE route.
You have now been warned about wire transfers. We hear just TOO many stories of WIRE ripoffs!
If they won't accept world-wide credit cards (VISA, AMEX) it is time for you to move on.
You cannot be too careful.

(NOTE this does NOT apply to reputable brick-and-mortar resellers such as DAVIDSW and TAKUYA who have long-term honest selling practices and long-term history with watch buyers, and with watch sites such as TRF.)
Yeah, this is just nonsense. A few people have been ripped off, and the majority of them were USA domestic, not international, deals, and involved poor background checks and/or huge leaps of faith from the buyer (to put it politely). The huge majority of bankwire deals posted on TRF go through just fine in any case, even for foreigners like me.
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Old 24 September 2021, 05:02 PM   #11
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Yup I have had no problems either. Just dont rush into buying anything, converse with the seller and if they are a scammer it doesnt take very long for them to give up the game.
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Old 25 September 2021, 01:28 PM   #12
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Update: After some back and forth, needless to say the deal fell through. He wouldn't wire, I wouldn't take PayPal (have heard from too many not to as a seller), etc., so back to square one.

I don't think either one of us trusted the other enough. I'm fairly certain he wasn't a scammer and I obviously am not.
I guess this just isn't the right space for people like us with few posts, no references, to buy or sell, given I get in and out of pieces fairly infrequently and by no means look at this as business, I just want to avoid the commissions from Chrono, eBay and the like. It's just something I enjoy.

But I don't enjoy this. I just want to sell a watch and buy something else I like better and would wear more. Vetting people and checking references and getting emailed with phony links, i.e., "I'm buying this for my birthday, open this link to see what I have" in order to steal my login to scam other members, it's just not what I'm interested in doing. It's no one's fault, just not for me.

Anyway thanks for all of your responses and advice, it is appreciated.

And who knows, maybe he was a scammer and thanks to the info I got from here and other discussions, it saved me from a giant mistake. I truly enjoy and find TRF discussions informative, knowledgeable and sometimes hilarious, but I think I'm done with this part.

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Old 25 September 2021, 01:41 PM   #13
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Don't want the headache, if I want to sell my watch, I'll sell it back to my AD. Yeh, I may miss on few bucks, but I really don't want the headache and people knowing on my door
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Old 26 September 2021, 03:58 AM   #14
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I would NOT sell (or buy) "overseas" - plenty buyers and sellers here in the states.
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Definitely that.
The only crooks live outside the US, thank you very much
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