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Old 10 September 2021, 12:02 PM   #1
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Rolex Turn O Graph Authenticity Question

Hello, newbie here. Long time lurker, but never posted before.

I’m trying to confirm the authenticity of a Rolex Turn O Graph that I’m in the process of possibly buying.

Basically, I bought it off a popular fashion resale site, their authenticator approved it, and now I’m in the review process before accepting it.

I am actually planning on returning it due to some issues.

First off, when I opened the Rolex box it came in, it strongly smelled like chemical glue like really badly.

Upon further research, it looks like the box is not from the same era as the watch and is likely fake, has the wrong crown, etc.

Secondly, when viewing the dial under a 30x loupe, lots of the lettering is sloppy, like the ink print bleeds, the lines of letters are not sharp, the red Turn O Graph and other text does not look like that shiny lacquer that some text looks like.

It does have a barely visible crown etching at 6 o’clock, and the engraving around the rehaut seems to look good, and it’s a pretty good dial otherwise.

Plus, the weight seems close to other examples, so overall, it’s hard to tell.

I can’t take the case back off on my own, and probably wouldn’t know what to look for anyways.

I attempted to attach images (hopefully it worked), although I'm restricted from placing a link to imgur and of course file/dimension limitations.

Please let me know your thoughts if any, I would really appreciate your help.

Thank you for letting me post either way.
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Old 10 September 2021, 12:12 PM   #2
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I understand how hard it is to post photo’s if you’re new. But the issue I see is almost every photo is out of focus.

If you can take some well-focused, well-lit close-ups of the dial and the clasp inside then PM them to me and I’ll help by posting them for you.

I can’t see any red flags but really would like to see sharp closeups.


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Old 10 September 2021, 12:19 PM   #3
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The watch looks pretty close to what I have. I have a 2004 TOG in charcoal grey and it's pretty identical. I don't see anything glaring to say it's not authentic.
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Old 10 September 2021, 12:21 PM   #4
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To 77T, Thank you very much, I will work on taking some better pictures. I appreciate your help.
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Old 10 September 2021, 12:24 PM   #5
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The watch looks pretty close to what I have. I have a 2004 TOG in charcoal grey and it's pretty identical. I don't see anything glaring to say it's not authentic.
Thank you for your help.

I guess my biggest issue is with the text not having super clear lines to it.

Like the E's in Perpetual are really not sharp, and other letters as well.

Have you ever looked at it under a loupe to see how sharp the lettering is?
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Old 10 September 2021, 01:59 PM   #6
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I have a 2005 and yours looks pretty much the same as mine... I don't see anything on yours that screams fake... That said, if you aren't comfortable with the whole thing you probably shouldn't do it. It has to feel right or you'll never enjoy the watch...
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Old 10 September 2021, 02:20 PM   #7
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I don’t know if it’s authentic, but that is a great looking watch. I wish Rolex would bring it back… and make it 41mm.
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Old 10 September 2021, 02:25 PM   #8
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I have a 2005 and yours looks pretty much the same as mine... I don't see anything on yours that screams fake... That said, if you aren't comfortable with the whole thing you probably shouldn't do it. It has to feel right or you'll never enjoy the watch...
Thank you, I appreciate it. I didn't see anything that screamed fake about it either, until I pulled out the loupe and starting looking closer at the dial text.

Maybe I'm just expecting the dial text to be too perfect, as I have a 116200 from 2015, and the text is so much more defined on that one.

I wish I could look at a confirmed real one under a loupe, just to see what to expect.

I appreciate your feedback.
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Old 10 September 2021, 02:32 PM   #9
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I have a 2005 and yours looks pretty much the same as mine... I don't see anything on yours that screams fake... That said, if you aren't comfortable with the whole thing you probably shouldn't do it. It has to feel right or you'll never enjoy the watch...
Thank you for your feedback.

I didn't see anything that screamed fake either, and I was convinced it was real, until I pulled out the loupe and started looking at the text on the dial.

Maybe I'm just expecting the text to be too perfect, as I have a 116200 from 2015, and the text is so much sharper on that one.

I don't really know how clear or sharp the lines are supposed to be on this watch from 2005, so I'm just kind of flying blind.

The other thing that has me second guessing the watch is the box itself, it just completely smells like glue, and my research says it can't be real if that's the case.

I appreciate your help.
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Old 10 September 2021, 02:33 PM   #10
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I don’t know if it’s authentic, but that is a great looking watch. I wish Rolex would bring it back… and make it 41mm.
I totally agree, I love the watch and want to keep it if it's real. It's very cool.
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Old 10 September 2021, 02:40 PM   #11
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I bought one of these new in 2004-5. Great watch and I don’t see anything obvious. The box prob isn’t original.


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Old 11 September 2021, 05:14 AM   #12
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Is something going on with the clasp? It doesn't look like it springs back to the proper position.
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Old 11 September 2021, 05:58 AM   #13
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Is something going on with the clasp? It doesn't look like it springs back to the proper position.
I didn't notice that, but no, the clasp does not have any type of spring action on it.

So when it is open, it just sort of can flop back and forth, but there is no spring to pull it back into the "closed" or straight position.

I also noticed the clasp is harder to open and snaps louder when closing than my other Datejust.

Should all clasps have a spring action in them, so that even if the clasp is opened up, the spring will pull it back into the closed position?

Thank you for noticing that.
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Old 11 September 2021, 07:44 AM   #14
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I uploaded some more pictures that show close-ups of the dial and clasp.

If you look at the first E in the word Perpetual, you can see in the middle and top lines that they are not sharp and the ink bleeds outside the line. It happens in other letters too.

I'm not sure if that's normal or not, but that's sort of what had me worried initially.

Thank you again.
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Old 11 September 2021, 07:52 AM   #15
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And some more pictures.
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Old 11 September 2021, 07:56 AM   #16
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And 1 more photo, courtesy of 77T.
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Old 11 September 2021, 09:35 AM   #17
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Does the clasp code match the D or Z serial?
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Old 11 September 2021, 09:56 AM   #18
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Does the clasp code match the D or Z serial?
Thank you for bringing this to my attention, I didn't know to look out for that issue.

According to Bob's Watches chart, the D serial is for 2005, and either D or Z for 2006.

The clasp code on this watch is OP8, and they say OP8 is for August 2006, OP for 2006, and then 8 for August.

So this watching having the D serial and OP8 would seem to fit.

I guess it depends on which month they switched from D to Z in 2006.

Either way, it's probably a close enough time frame that the watch and clasp would have been matched together.

Thank you for that bit of enlightenment.
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Old 11 September 2021, 10:34 AM   #19
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I would expect your D serial to be >700000 based on my quick research. I saw an OP1 in the 600000 range.

I have a F serial sub which can be 03, 04 or 05 and clasp is MA3 (March 05). My serial is over 870000 which makes sense for a 2005 F serial. Of course you know D could be 2005 too.
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Old 11 September 2021, 11:35 AM   #20
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I would expect your D serial to be >700000 based on my quick research. I saw an OP1 in the 600000 range.

I have a F serial sub which can be 03, 04 or 05 and clasp is MA3 (March 05). My serial is over 870000 which makes sense for a 2005 F serial. Of course you know D could be 2005 too.
Very interesting. My D serial is actually >900000.

So I guess that would make sense for August 2006.

That's really good information and probably means my serial and code would be legit.

Thank you very much for that.
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Old 11 September 2021, 03:35 PM   #21
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Just wanted to follow up and let everyone know that I accepted the watch purchase and am keeping it. Really an awesome watch that I've wanted for a while, so I'm thankful that I was able to get some insights from everybody and verify that everything is legitimate.

Thank you to everybody for going down this rabbit hole with me, I appreciate all of your help.
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Enjoy it. It looks wonderful.
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