The future for the 15202ST

[TunaTuna]

Originally Posted by Fabes

^This might even affect the grey market price of the 15500ST blue dial

Yep all royal oaks will get a big lift from the new jumbo release

[illiguy]

Would they call it the 15402?

[illiguy]

Based on FBH comments, I assume we’re literally into the last two months of the Ref 15202? Very intrigued to see what happens here.

[rockdrock]

Anyone know if there are any deliveries for the 15202 any variations (if you are on the list of course)? Or has AP, closed everything?

[Cabaiguan]

There will always be a 2121 option IMO. Maybe a regular production w new movement but an LE w 2121?

[illiguy]

Originally Posted by rockdrock

Anyone know if there are any deliveries for the 15202 any variations (if you are on the list of course)? Or has AP, closed everything?

Got to be close. Those very close to AP (Austen Chu / horoloupe) believe 15202 to stop before end of 2020. So I assume any minute if not already. I think 2021 will be a good production year for collectibility in the non-monobloc era of this reference.

[arnage]

Originally Posted by illiguy

Got to be close. Those very close to AP (Austen Chu / horoloupe) believe 15202 to stop before end of 2020. So I assume any minute if not already. I think 2021 will be a good production year for collectibility in the non-monobloc era of this reference.

There were monoblock cases into the i serial of the 40th anniversary 15202. Do you think there is a reason for people to want the multi-part case? I suppose modularity can help make repairs easier, but the monoblock case is closer to the original

[m3tek44]

Originally Posted by Comebackbaby

The movement objectively needs updating. The 15202 is better served stored in a safe or on display than it is on someone’s wrist…

It's been on my wrist...

[illiguy]

Originally Posted by arnage

There were monoblock cases into the i serial of the 40th anniversary 15202. Do you think there is a reason for people to want the multi-part case? I suppose modularity can help make repairs easier, but the monoblock case is closer to the original

I think because it’s still the Jumbo. Market prices seem to favor newer iterations and therefore monobloc not reflected in how watch is priced today on secondary.

[HMHM]

Originally Posted by Cabaiguan

There will always be a 2121 option IMO. Maybe a regular production w new movement but an LE w 2121?

But they already have a such a product in the 15500…. For the 15202 and beyond, it’s either the 2121 movement remain or they make an entirely new movement for the watch and completely discontinue the 2121 which I predict the latter is going to happen.

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by HMHM

But they already have a such a product in the 15500…. For the 15202 and beyond, it’s either the 2121 movement remain or they make an entirely new movement for the watch and completely discontinue the 2121 which I predict the latter is going to happen.

I predict the latter, too.

That said, does it matter? AP doesn't seem interested in selling any of their watches to real collectors (just maybe a handful of real collectors). The rest go into the hands of flippers, and then into the inventories of grey market dealers.

[cascavel]

Originally Posted by HMHM

But they already have a such a product in the 15500…. For the 15202 and beyond, it’s either the 2121 movement remain or they make an entirely new movement for the watch and completely discontinue the 2121 which I predict the latter is going to happen.

The reason AP is discontinuing the 15202, and the same goes for Patek discontinuing the 5711/1a, is to jump the MSRP in order to capture some of the premium that the Grey market is receiving. If you can figure out how to best justify a BIG increase in MSRP without annoying even more of your clients than are already annoyed by product unavailability, then that's what AP will do. An entirely new movement seems like a lot of work, particularly for AP, but at least they can shove $10K per watch onto the price as "development cost".

[GW44]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

I predict the latter, too.

That said, does it matter? AP doesn't seem interested in selling any of their watches to real collectors (just maybe a handful of real collectors). The rest go into the hands of flippers, and then into the inventories of grey market dealers.

You forgot to mention VIP’s that also get allocation before the hoi polloi….

[seadubs]

My guess is itll be ceramic...the 34mm was a teaser

[VogelPhoenix]

Originally Posted by seadubs

My guess is itll be ceramic...the 34mm was a teaser

It seems likely that there will be other time-only CE editions, but I'd guess that for the next-gen Jumbo it will be in addition, not instead of steel or gold. Likely to be peak unobtanium.

[illiguy]

Originally Posted by VogelPhoenix

It seems likely that there will be other time-only CE editions, but I'd guess that for the next-gen Jumbo it will be in addition, not instead of steel or gold. Likely to be peak unobtanium.

So we think the “classic” config of Steel and Blue Dial will still be in play, but potentially with new movement? That would be off-putting to me if it’s not the 2121. I don’t think any one looks for a 2121 for practicality.

[Agustin_Nielsen]

Ceramic case & bracelet

[sharpwrist]

Originally Posted by illiguy

Based on FBH comments, I assume we’re literally into the last two months of the Ref 15202? Very intrigued to see what happens here.

Are you refrencing new comments or the orignial social club discussion?

[charlie2888]

Originally Posted by illiguy

So we think the “classic” config of Steel and Blue Dial will still be in play, but potentially with new movement? That would be off-putting to me if it’s not the 2121. I don’t think any one looks for a 2121 for practicality.

Couldn't agree more - it would be such a shame to see AP no longer produce a 5402 reproduction with a 2121 movement. I really hope they don't go the way Patek went with the 5711. If people care about technology in their watches then go for an iWatch or Fitbit.

The original proportions, movement, font, monobloc construction, push pull crown, etc. are all important parts of the icon. AP should always make a Royal Oak with this configuration!