The Rolex Forums   The Rolex Watch

ROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEX

Old 28 April 2018, 05:27 AM   #1
phillip ridley
"TRF" Member
 
phillip ridley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Mesa, Arizona
Watch: 1971 Rolex Red Sub
Posts: 542
Father to son 1966, 5513

Usually I hear about how lucky one was to locate a beautiful piece like this, but in this situation how a father passes his daily wearer to his son. I am sure the owner will post the story on this thread.

This watch was stored away for many years until the owner decided to look into having it serviced. When the watch arrived, it was missing original hands, bracelet, dry and dirty. Were able to source NOS hands, 66' stamp 7206 bracelet and get the watch running to Rolex specs. One other thing I noticed about this watch, was the dial. In certain angles, you will see how a portion of the dial has started to fade to a light tropic color. Overall, a really cool piece to be passed down from one generation to another.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 20180219_112859.jpg (83.5 KB, 6204 views)
File Type: jpg 20180219_112935.jpg (71.0 KB, 6166 views)
File Type: jpg 20180219_113001.jpg (88.5 KB, 6137 views)
File Type: jpg 20180219_113103.jpg (77.8 KB, 6124 views)
File Type: jpg 20180219_113115.jpg (141.7 KB, 6135 views)
File Type: jpg 20180219_113205.jpg (34.1 KB, 6099 views)
File Type: jpg 20180322_125021.jpg (75.1 KB, 6106 views)
File Type: jpg 20180322_125033.jpg (93.1 KB, 6116 views)
File Type: jpg 20180322_125058.jpg (110.8 KB, 6101 views)
File Type: jpg 20180222_103652.jpg (28.2 KB, 6064 views)
File Type: jpg 20180222_104042.jpg (39.4 KB, 6072 views)
File Type: jpg 20180222_105841.jpg (55.6 KB, 6048 views)
File Type: jpg 20180222_110200.jpg (46.4 KB, 6016 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_3974.jpg (72.7 KB, 6040 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_3971.jpg (67.6 KB, 6031 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_3972.jpg (66.3 KB, 6028 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_3976.jpg (70.2 KB, 6013 views)
File Type: jpg DSC_4585.jpg (143.5 KB, 6017 views)
File Type: jpg DSC_4584.jpg (104.0 KB, 6016 views)
File Type: jpg DSC_4583.jpg (115.7 KB, 6025 views)
File Type: jpg 20180322_131331.jpg (88.5 KB, 6023 views)
File Type: jpg 20180322_131344.jpg (96.9 KB, 5989 views)
File Type: jpg 20180327_142205.jpg (114.6 KB, 6023 views)

Last edited by phillip ridley; 28 April 2018 at 06:12 AM.. Reason: edit
phillip ridley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28 April 2018, 05:47 AM   #2
gsg
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Texas
Posts: 226
Wow, what a jackpot with the hands! How did you manage to find a set so closely matching the dial in color? These are not relumed, correct?
gsg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28 April 2018, 05:48 AM   #3
SgWatchBaron
"TRF" Member
 
SgWatchBaron's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Real Name: Baron
Location: Singapore/UK
Watch: Ref 6265 PN Panda
Posts: 136
Excellent watch. Excellent dial. Lovely matching patina on the hands. However, the hands are definitely not period, as they are a later curved set.
__________________
♚ @SgWatchBaron ♚ (Instagram)
SgWatchBaron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28 April 2018, 06:12 AM   #4
phillip ridley
"TRF" Member
 
phillip ridley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Mesa, Arizona
Watch: 1971 Rolex Red Sub
Posts: 542
Quote:
Originally Posted by SgWatchBaron View Post
Excellent watch. Excellent dial. Lovely matching patina on the hands. However, the hands are definitely not period, as they are a later curved set.
Correct, thanks for pointing that out.
phillip ridley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28 April 2018, 06:17 AM   #5
albaserver
"TRF" Member
 
albaserver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Milan
Posts: 170
Great watch! Love it... Congrats.
albaserver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28 April 2018, 06:50 AM   #6
sensui
2024 Pledge Member
 
sensui's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 12,344
Very nice.
sensui is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28 April 2018, 06:58 AM   #7
NOPDK
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: South Florida
Posts: 598
History of this 5513

I would like to thank Phillip for his enthusiasm over my father Mark’s 1966 Meters First Gilt-Glossy Rolex Submariner 5513. If you are interested in the history of this piece read on. If not there are plenty of pictures.

This watch has always held strong sentimental value as one of the few things I have to remember my father by. Phillip’s interest in the history of the watch and the factors that lead the dial to age has motivated me take a step back and look at the watch more objectively. While this watch sparked my interest in watch collecting I have never felt totally at ease wearing it. It has been in my possession going on 30 years but it still does not feel like my watch. In my mind it will forever be my fathers. The story of this watch is also the story of my father’s final years of life. The changes in the dial and patina are a result of the trials he put this watch through.

From 1966 through my father’s death in 1973 this watch enjoyed the hard use a Rolex Submariner is made to endure. The dial has taken on a dark chocolate brown hue and the tritium lume has aged into a deep creamy yellow. This watch was produced during a period when Rolex used a paint/lacquer on the dial with the potential for unpredictable aging. It seems that extreme UV exposure followed by years of complete darkness triggered some of the watches with this paint/lacquer on the dial to change, each in their own way. Over the past decade I have noticed the dial becoming brown and expect this to continue. Happily, the color change is very even.

The story of this watch begins with my Grandfather. After returning from serving his country in Europe during WW2 my grandfather settled into becoming a Jeweler in NYC. He was one of the early tenants of the Jewelers Exchange on 47th street. My father was born in 1947 and at the age of 17 left home to join the Airforce. He was stationed at Hickam Air Force Base on Oahu and in Japan. He returned home to Long Island after a few years of service and joined the Merchant Marines working around the NY area.

Rolex serial number 138XXXX , a gilt-glossy dialed 5513 that was to become my fathers was produced first quarter of 1966. This would have made it one of the late production gilt-glossy dialed 5513’s before they transitioned to the much more common matte dial. I do not know why my Grandfather gave his 19yo son this watch nor the specific occasion. Perhaps he felt this was one of the few watches that could keep up with my father’s activities. There were not many options for waterproof watches at that time and the Submariners reputation as a durable workhorse was already being minted.

In 1967 with the 5513 on his wrist Mark traveled west to Laguna beach to surf and enjoy everything else happening in California during the late 60’s. In 1968 he moved back to the Hawaiian Islands.

His occupations over the following 6 years included:
Diver for black coral on Maui
Salvage diver on Maui
Paniolo on the Big Island. (Hawaiian cowboy running cattle)
Deck mate of University of Hawaii research ship

Mark worked to afford his play. One activity was big wave surfing on the North Shore of Oahu during the winter season. The late 60’s were the early years for big wave surfing. In talking to his friends who were there with him, Mark was known to venture out on the bigger days when most would keep to the safety of the shoreline.

Mark was an avid offshore fisherman and was sponsored by Shakespeare fishing rods. In addition to fishing the Hawaiian Islands he fished his home waters off of Long Island as well as Central America, South America and the Caribbean. Mark’s younger brother Michael tell stories of how if the fishing wasn’t working out and the seas were high Mark would run his center console as hard as he could until Michael would get sea-sick and have to jump overboard to alleviate the nausea.

All of these activities were while wearing this watch which are a testament to the engineering and the durability of the Rolex Submariner. I doubt he ever had the watch serviced or gave any care to keeping it safe. The Submariner was designed as a tool watch and he used it as such.

In December of 1973 Mark was killed in a rollover Jeep accident while wearing the watch. The roll-bar of his Jeep collapsed crushing him under the car. Mark’s Submariner survived and his girlfriend put his 5513 in a shoe box for the next 15 years until it she gave it to me when I turned 18. Its existence was unknown to me and it was a great surprise to receive the watch. Prior to that all I had of my fathers was his hunting knife.

Mark’s watch came to me on a dry-rotted leather strap still covered in his blood from the day of the accident. I remember discarding the leather strap and cleaning off the watch. We took the watch for service where they lubricated the movement and polished the plexi which was badly gauged and scratched up. The jeweler sourced a 93150 Oyster bracelet which Mark’s watch was mounted to. I recall him recommending this choice over the year correct rivet model.

Mark’s Rolex has now traveled though 3 generations of my family. It was on my father’s wrist when I was born. I wore it to High School, College, and Medical School graduations. It was on my wrist for my important life milestones including my wedding and the birth of my daughter. However, it mostly was stored away safely in a dark place letting the dial age as it has.

One fun adventure Mark’s 5513 has joined me on was the photoshoot for Porsche Excellence Magazine on a 1973 911 hotrod that I restored. While driving the photographer snapped a picture from inside the car that was unplanned but really welcome when I discovered how it captured Mark’s watch on my wrist.

My thanks to Phillip Ridley for his expert service and for educating me on how uniquely this 5513 has aged. His service and communication were first class. Phillip was able to source a year correct 1966 stamped Swiss 7206 bracelet as well as install a vintage correct color matched bezel pearl. The original T19 crystal wouldn’t pressure test 15 years ago so a service crystal was mounted back then. Phillip fitted a correct T19 which domes more than the service ones. Additionally, NOS color matched tritium hands were sourced from a seller in England and the match to the dial is better than I could have hoped.

Someday when I am gone my daughter will take over caring for this special piece of my family history. I have already told her it will be hers. It is special that a Meters First Tropical Gilt-Glossy Dialed Rolex 5513 gets to link us. In part I have put these thoughts and memories down as a memoir to my daughter so that she can read this someday. Thank you for taking the time to hear about Mark’s 5513. The process of writing this has given me opportunity to think about my father, this Rolex and all of the related circumstances.

I'm open to questions and comments on the watch.

I will post pictures of history of the watch separately.
NOPDK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28 April 2018, 07:02 AM   #8
NOPDK
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: South Florida
Posts: 598
Pictures of Mark with watch

From a picture from 66/67 when he first received the watch to pictures with me as a child with Mark and the watch on his wrist.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Xerox Scan_02062018132415.jpg (68.1 KB, 5671 views)
File Type: jpg Xerox Scan_02062018132153.jpg (225.0 KB, 5684 views)
File Type: jpg Xerox Scan_02062018132447.jpg (85.5 KB, 5656 views)
File Type: jpg Xerox Scan_02062018132535.jpg (72.2 KB, 5667 views)
NOPDK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28 April 2018, 07:03 AM   #9
NOPDK
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: South Florida
Posts: 598
Mark surfing north shore of Oahu

with the 5513 on his wrist
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Xerox Scan_02062018133417.jpg (82.8 KB, 5666 views)
File Type: jpg Xerox Scan_02062018133447.jpg (101.7 KB, 5679 views)
File Type: jpg Xerox Scan_02062018133553.jpg (62.3 KB, 5666 views)
NOPDK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28 April 2018, 07:13 AM   #10
NOPDK
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: South Florida
Posts: 598
Pictures of Mark with watch

Picture of me at 3yo with Dolores who kept watch safe for me all of those years.

Picture of Mark with his dog Hunter and watch on wrist on sailboat which he lived on for a period of time when he first got back to Hawaii.

Mark with watch on wrist and my uncle Michael in their air force uniforms teasing me with one of my toys. There is a great 8mm family movie of the shenanigans.

Mark ready to go surfing
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Xerox Scan_02062018132854.jpg (69.2 KB, 5632 views)
File Type: jpg Xerox Scan_02062018133238.jpg (126.2 KB, 5655 views)
File Type: jpg Xerox Scan_02062018133048.jpg (66.9 KB, 5635 views)
File Type: jpg Xerox Scan_02062018132929.jpg (82.0 KB, 5655 views)
NOPDK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28 April 2018, 07:17 AM   #11
NOPDK
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: South Florida
Posts: 598
Pictures of Mark with watch

Me with watch on my wrist at 18yo with my grandmother. Taken soon after Dolores gave the watch to me.

Picture of watch before H.S. Prom.

Picture of watch at college graduation

Picture of watch at Medical school graduation
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Xerox Scan_02062018121759.jpg (137.6 KB, 5631 views)
File Type: jpg Xerox Scan_02062018133622.jpg (131.7 KB, 5644 views)
File Type: jpg Xerox Scan_02192018124453.jpg (146.9 KB, 5632 views)
File Type: jpg Xerox Scan_02192018124528.jpg (126.8 KB, 5626 views)
Attached Files
File Type: pdf Xerox Scan_02192018124335.pdf (177.5 KB, 513 views)
NOPDK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28 April 2018, 07:21 AM   #12
NOPDK
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: South Florida
Posts: 598
Porsche excellence photoshoot

1973 911 R Gruppe hotrod
Attached Images
File Type: jpeg Screen Shot 2015-05-25 at 10.54.54 PM copy.jpeg (54.8 KB, 5564 views)
File Type: jpeg Screen Shot 2015-05-25 at 10.54.36 PM.jpeg (52.2 KB, 5592 views)
File Type: jpeg Screen Shot 2015-05-25 at 10.45.30 PM.jpeg (76.0 KB, 5579 views)
File Type: jpeg Screen Shot 2015-05-25 at 10.43.40 PM.jpeg (76.2 KB, 5563 views)
File Type: jpeg IMG_4249.jpeg (76.8 KB, 5564 views)
NOPDK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28 April 2018, 07:27 AM   #13
mineral
"TRF" Member
 
mineral's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 3,670
Great story and can’t wait to see more. Thanks for sharing with us.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
__________________
Watching date changes every midnight
mineral is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28 April 2018, 07:29 AM   #14
NOPDK
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: South Florida
Posts: 598
Picture of my daughter

wearing the watch around 5 years ago. I think it will look great on her wrist.

Also some pictures of watch before Phillip recently serviced it. The hands on it in these pictures were gold color matched painted hands. The new hands we sourced are color matched OEM tritium hands.
Attached Images
File Type: jpeg IMG_2946.jpeg (103.4 KB, 5578 views)
File Type: jpeg IMG_2907.jpeg (84.4 KB, 5589 views)
File Type: jpeg IMG_3195.jpeg (55.3 KB, 5551 views)
File Type: jpeg 20180219_112841.jpeg (22.8 KB, 5555 views)
NOPDK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28 April 2018, 12:44 PM   #15
bradleyt09
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: florida
Posts: 238
Awesome story, beautiful daughter, fantastic watch. Your dad would certainly be very proud! I really enjoyed the read and realize it must have been very difficult to share such personal details. This will definitely be a priceless memoir for your daughter and a great supplement to the gorgeous timepiece. In the meantime, wear the shit out of it and always enjoy it in good health. BTW, beautiful '73 911. Keep living the dream brother.
bradleyt09 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28 April 2018, 04:45 PM   #16
scooba
2024 Pledge Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Europe
Watch: Anything
Posts: 2,464
Hi , Thankyou for sharing this awesome story , Priceless memories and what a Watch , I can understand how important this watch is too you priceless , Keep it safe and enjoy it remember its to be worn , Thankyou to P.Ridley as well

My Favourite post in a very long time
scooba is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28 April 2018, 07:12 PM   #17
chows99
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Singapore
Posts: 603
You are a splitting image of Mark!

Your story makes me sob. Despite your dad's unfortunate and untimely passing, you carried on his legacy by doing well in life and enjoying the finer things in life.

Thanks for sharing the story of Mark. I hope he is in a better place and in peace.

Keep the photos coming!
chows99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28 April 2018, 09:07 PM   #18
emersm
2024 Pledge Member
 
emersm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Real Name: Merle
Location: USA
Watch: Rolex
Posts: 2,472
Enjoying my morning coffee reading this fantastic thread. Thank you for sharing!
emersm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28 April 2018, 09:16 PM   #19
mjclark32
"TRF" Member
 
mjclark32's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Real Name: MJC
Location: PHL USA
Watch: IWC, Rolex, AP
Posts: 29,232
I love these stories! You look just like your dad too! I’m sure he’s looking down smiling that you’re keeping it in the family while your living to its fullest! All the best
__________________
mjclark32 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28 April 2018, 10:37 PM   #20
benvh
"TRF" Member
 
benvh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Boston
Posts: 438
Great watch and amazing story. Such an awesome time capsule and reminder of all these life stories. Thank you for sharing!

Ben
benvh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28 April 2018, 10:44 PM   #21
Xelorpepsi
"TRF" Member
 
Xelorpepsi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: UK
Posts: 306
Thanks for this very moving story - I hope this watch will stay in your family for a long time!
Xelorpepsi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28 April 2018, 10:51 PM   #22
bearjere21
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: May 2017
Real Name: Jere
Location: Tampa
Watch: 1982 GMT16750
Posts: 26
this is amazing. these stories are so beautiful and the reason why I have become such a big fan of vintage watches.

one day my child shall have my watch as well.
bearjere21 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28 April 2018, 11:04 PM   #23
HobokenRolex
2024 Pledge Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 1,063
Great story. The watch looks so nice now. I, too, have my father's watch and there are pictures of him wearing it when holding me as a baby or playing when I was a child. Cool links to the past, for sure.
HobokenRolex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28 April 2018, 11:16 PM   #24
nikanarani
"TRF" Member
 
nikanarani's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Bombay
Watch: is on my wrist
Posts: 315
Father to son 1966, 5513

What a phenomenal story and such powerful pictures to go along with it!!

Thank you and Phillip for bringing this to light.

This is why the TRF community is so special, because of its people and their stories. The watches over time happen to be incidental.
nikanarani is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28 April 2018, 11:30 PM   #25
Boaters
2024 Pledge Member
 
Join Date: May 2015
Real Name: Mike
Location: Pacific Northwest
Watch: 116610LV 16710 SD
Posts: 10,649
Wow that is a great read getting the watch 15 years later. Your daughter im sure will cherish it and pass it along when the time is right .. Thanks for sharing!
Boaters is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28 April 2018, 11:34 PM   #26
brandrea
2024 Pledge Member
 
brandrea's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Real Name: Brian (TBone)
Location: canada
Watch: es make me smile
Posts: 73,093
Thank you for sharing this story with us.

This is one of the best threads on TRF
brandrea is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 29 April 2018, 12:46 AM   #27
Tom1675
"TRF" Member
 
Tom1675's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Real Name: Tom
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 1,171
Great thread! Thanks for the read -congrats and condolences.
Tom1675 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29 April 2018, 01:11 AM   #28
NOPDK
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: South Florida
Posts: 598
Quote:
Originally Posted by gsg View Post
Wow, what a jackpot with the hands! How did you manage to find a set so closely matching the dial in color? These are not relumed, correct?

I have the original hands which have perfect lume but the metal portion has bubbled and oxidized. 15 years ago I sourced gold hands which were painted and color matched to dial. With this service with Phillip I wanted to make the watch as correct as possible. Phillip sourced the year matched bracelet and crystal for me. For the hands I located a seller in England selling a set of NOS hands and from the scans the color looked close. I sent the funds and crossed my fingers they were real and matched. They are indeed tritium NOS hands and by luck the color is spot on. Was surprised and thrilled how well they worked out.

When I inherited the watch in 1988 there was no pearl in the bezel. I wanted a vintage correct pearl and was able to source one from Vitaly who posts often on the forum. He was great to purchase from and pearl worked out great as well.
NOPDK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29 April 2018, 05:43 AM   #29
spoilsofwar01
"TRF" Member
 
spoilsofwar01's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2017
Real Name: "H"
Location: England
Watch: ing Rainclouds
Posts: 1,437
[QUOTE=NOPDK;8527003]I would like to thank Phillip for his enthusiasm over my father Mark’s 1966 Meters First Gilt-Glossy Rolex Submariner 5513. If you are interested in the history of this piece read on. If not there are plenty of pictures.

I'm seriously pleased for you, what an inheritance to have,

I purchased a 5513 dated 1968, Mine has a 1520 Calibre movement, the photos of yours doesn't indicate whether its a 1520 or a 1530 Calibre, was Phillip able to advise to which it is? as for the restoration work, wow.. I'm very impressed, be proud
spoilsofwar01 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29 April 2018, 05:45 AM   #30
spoilsofwar01
"TRF" Member
 
spoilsofwar01's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2017
Real Name: "H"
Location: England
Watch: ing Rainclouds
Posts: 1,437
x2

Quote:
Originally Posted by brandrea View Post
Thank you for sharing this story with us.

This is one of the best threads on TRF
In total agreement,
spoilsofwar01 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Takuya Watches

Bobs Watches

My Watch LLC

OCWatches

DavidSW Watches

Coronet


*Banners Of The Month*
This space is provided to horological resources.





Copyright ©2004-2024, The Rolex Forums. All Rights Reserved.

ROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEX

Rolex is a registered trademark of ROLEX USA. The Rolex Forums is not affiliated with ROLEX USA in any way.