Rose Dial Black Bays Are The Reissue Submariner

[Wembleyisgreen]

Originally Posted by capote

Thats what I have been hearing here for a year. But I don’t see anybody buying an ETA for 5k, yet anyway

I sold one for $4,000.

[904VT]

Originally Posted by Wembleyisgreen

The original very collectible Tudor Subs used off the shelf movements from companies like Fleurier and ETA. And as you point out the highly collectible Daytona’s use Zenith movements. In house movement seems to actually have the opposite effect and make the watches less desirable because when a company makes an in house movement they make more watches over a longer period to recoup the expense. ETA of this caliber will not be a negative it will be a positive.

Completely agree with the early Tudor Subs. But I meant specifically modern watches such as this Tudor BB. So many modern watches with ETA movements that the only thing unique between them is the case, dial, bracelet/strap combo, regardless of watch brand in most cases.

I'd consider the 16520 a modern watch as a 5 digit. That said though, 50% Rolex parts 50% or so Zenith in the 4030, so that makes it more unique imo at least.

[Wembleyisgreen]

Originally Posted by 904VT

Completely agree with the early Tudor Subs. But I meant specifically modern watches such as this Tudor BB. So many modern watches with ETA movements that the only thing unique between them is the case, dial, bracelet/strap combo, regardless of watch brand in most cases.

I'd consider the 16520 a modern watch as a 5 digit. That said though, 50% Rolex parts 50% or so Zenith in the 4030, so that makes it more unique imo at least.

Tudor did upgrade these movements so it’s not an easy comparison to other brands using stock 2824 movements.

[904VT]

Originally Posted by Wembleyisgreen

Tudor did upgrade these movements so it’s not an easy comparison to other brands using stock 2824 movements.

I believe the biggest change they made was the Triovis fine adjustment screws. At least in terms of impacting performance. But this system isn't exclusive to Tudor as it's used by Nomos and a few others. I believe a balance cock replacement as well. Though certainly far from an expert myself. Cool watch for sure

[Wembleyisgreen]

Originally Posted by 904VT

I believe the biggest change they made was the Triovis fine adjustment screws. At least in terms of impacting performance. But this system isn't exclusive to Tudor as it's used by Nomos and a few others. I believe a balance cock replacement as well. Though certainly far from an expert myself. Cool watch for sure

[startrolexendrolex]

Originally Posted by 904VT

I just don't think any modern watch with an ETA movement will ever become a true collectable. Of the Rolex/Tudor family, perhaps Zenith based, but not ETA imo. Perhaps some Panerai ETA exceptions, but even those I don't consider collectables over the long-term.

Is not always about the movements. It's the combo of design, movement and production level that matters. The black bay eta especially the black bezel is extremely limited, much more limited then any limited editions.

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[JParm]

I think we can agree on one thing here - the BBN ETA was produced in a very limited number due to it's short run (when compared to every other Black Bay, especially with the Shield). If this watch were to EVER be collectible, this would probably be the one (I do own one, but merely as a caretaker - it's my son's future watch).

Having said that, do I see it jumping off and making tons of money in the immediate (or even late) future? Hardly. These are modern watches, and there are too many other mass-produced watches that people would rather spend their money on. But will it at least hold value? Absolutely. I purchased mine at $2800 from an AD back in 2016, and I won't be losing money on it anytime soon.

[904VT]

Originally Posted by startrolexendrolex

Is not always about the movements. It's the combo of design, movement and production level that matters. The black bay eta especially the black bezel is extremely limited, much more limited then any limited editions.

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Agree 100%, designs are very important too. I do think we need the whole package though for something that is modern to be truly collectable, but either way I'd just enjoy a great watch

IMO this is the only collectable modern Tudor

https://www.tudorwatch.com/magazine/...-black-bay-one

[Wembleyisgreen]

Originally Posted by 904VT

Agree 100%, designs are very important too. I do think we need the whole package though for something that is modern to be truly collectable, but either way I'd just enjoy a great watch

IMO this is the only collectable modern Tudor

https://www.tudorwatch.com/magazine/...-black-bay-one

Don’t be silly how can a 1 of 1 be collectible? Collectible for who?

[904VT]

Originally Posted by Wembleyisgreen

Don’t be silly how can a 1 of 1 be collectible? Collectible for who?

It went to Auction, no?

[Wembleyisgreen]

Originally Posted by 904VT

It went to Auction, no?

For Charity yes but there was only one made. Only one collector can exist.

[904VT]

Originally Posted by Wembleyisgreen

For Charity yes but there was only one made. Only one collector can exist.

Doesn't that make it a collectable, unique piece of art?

[yannis]

The 79220N is a classic.

[Wembleyisgreen]

Originally Posted by 904VT

Doesn't that make it a collectable, unique piece of art?

Sure I concede. But the 99.999% existing population will have zero option for the ONE. Therefore they will buy the Rose dials. The ONE existing just makes the Black Bays collectible period.

[aeterna]

Might as well throw another in the mix. Definitely prefer the ETA to the newer version.

[904VT]

Originally Posted by Wembleyisgreen

Sure I concede.

Not giving you a hard time, but truly confused. Would you look at a collectible as something that would need to be available to a certain number of collectors? If that the case, I would agree a 1/1 is not a collectible from that standpoint.

[Wembleyisgreen]

Originally Posted by 904VT

Not giving you a hard time, but truly confused. Would you look at a collectible as something that would need to be available to a certain number of collectors? If that the case, I would agree a 1/1 is not a collectible from that standpoint.

The ONE bolsters the overall collectibility of Rose Dials. The ONE features the rose. No one can buy the Mona Lisa but the stock of all Davinci works are also now just as sought after.

[Wembleyisgreen]

Originally Posted by aeterna

Might as well throw another in the mix. Definitely prefer the ETA to the newer version.

Hard to deny.

[904VT]

Originally Posted by Wembleyisgreen

The ONE bolsters the overall collectibility of Rose Dials. The ONE features the rose. No one can buy the Mona Lisa but the stock of all Davinci works are also now just as sought after.

The rose dial is certainly closer to the one that's for sure. I also, think it's the better looking logo compared to the shield.