Tudor Chronograph Knowledge

[gmt 16750]

Thanks Dan and Brendan!

Originally Posted by bwalkerVintage

They all look
great!!

What is the date magnification on those babies?

I don't know exactly Brendan - Rolex claim 2.5 x magnification for it's Rolex watches with cyclops crystals (but we all know there is a huge difference between some watches).
The Tudor's date mag reminds me of the cyclops 127 as found on the 1680Sub = huge date magnification which I happen to like.

[Tony-GB]

Thanks to everyone who has responded.
What a wealth of information!!!

Here's a link to what I have my eye on. It's been reserved for me. I hope I am not breaking any forum rules posting this. If so, mods please delete & accept my apologies:

http://www.watches.co.uk/watch.php?wid=6711S

What do you guys think? You can see the Rolex crown on the case back & just see it on the crown as well.

[bagel]

Originally Posted by Gedanken

That's interesting. So would the dial on my 79170 be a replacement?

I also noticed that Craig and Dan's 79170s have tritium markers and dials, while mine's Luminova.

For 791x0 series, the early type of dial come with T SWISS T with chamfered type hour marker and then later changed to T SWISS MADE with straight hour marker.

For 792x0 series, the early type of dial come with T SWISS MADE T and then later changed to SWISS MADE.

Sorry for some typo in my post earlier, the tiger dial should started at around B94xxxx instead of B95xxxx.

[Tony-GB]

Originally Posted by bagel

For 791x0 series, the early type of dial come with T SWISS T with chamfered type hour marker and then later changed to T SWISS MADE with straight hour marker.

For 792x0 series, the early type of dial come with T SWISS MADE T and then later changed to SWISS MADE.

Sorry for some typo in my post earlier, the tiger dial should started at around B94xxxx instead of B95xxxx.

Thanks Bagel

[Dan Pierce]

Originally Posted by bagel

For 791x0 series, the early type of dial come with T SWISS T with chamfered type hour marker and then later changed to T SWISS MADE with straight hour marker.

For 792x0 series, the early type of dial come with T SWISS MADE T and then later changed to SWISS MADE.

Sorry for some typo in my post earlier, the tiger dial should started at around B94xxxx instead of B95xxxx.

Thanks, Bagel. I always wondered about the slight variation in the 791x0 dials.
dP

[veefour]

And where does this 94200 fit in this genealogy?
http://www.chrono24.com/web/en/herst...lastshowpage=2
Why does its owner think it is worth that money?

[Dan Pierce]

Originally Posted by veefour

And where does this 94200 fit in this genealogy?
http://www.chrono24.com/web/en/herst...lastshowpage=2
Why does its owner think it is worth that money?

I think that series came just before the 791x0 series. Should have Rolex "big Block" oyster case, Rolex crown, Rolex bracelet, and clasp. The older the model and the more Rolex "crowns" found on a Tudor the higher the value. Add to that, the price if vintage Daytona's and it creates a perfect storm of higher prices.
If you think that's expensive checkout the even earlier versions w/ the famous Monte Carlo dials.
Hope the experts either confirm or correct the above.
dP

[bagel]

Originally Posted by veefour

And where does this 94200 fit in this genealogy?
http://www.chrono24.com/web/en/herst...lastshowpage=2
Why does its owner think it is worth that money?

According to its S/N, it should be the last batch of ref:94300 (regular) and it will change to ref : 79180 in around S/N 27x,xxx.

The last batch of 94300 and the earliest of 79180 should be almost identical except that only slightly difference in the winder of the calibre though both use the 7750 cal.

Personally, I think the price of this item is on the high side.

[Rawhyde]

Thanks Bagel and Neil. This is the most information I've ever seen in one place regarding the Tudor Chronographs. I knew a little (and posted it), and learned a lot.

Gedanken, that's a nice comparison pic between the Big Block and the vintage Daytona. After wearing a Big Block for many years, I'm compelled to say that I'm a little disappointed in the Daytona. It's just too thin and lightweight. Also, it's hard to understand some people who think a Sub or a SD is too bulky. Subs and 'dwellers are lightweights too!

I can't afford it, but I'd like to try on a DSSD. It looks like it has some presence to it!

Rawhyde

[kent_kurt]

Hi,
Great thread, I was just researching tudor chronos!
The following is info from this thread and some elsewhere, lets see if I've gotten the timeline right.
Am I missing any models here?

- 20300-9500 Current model

- 79260/70/80
Text on dial changed from "Oysterdate" (Tudor case/crown) to "Princedate" (Rolex case/crown).

- 79160/70/80
Late 1980's to early 1990's. "Big Block" Acrylic crystal. "Tiger" (Tudor case/crown) branding 1997-2002.
- 94200 later renamed to 76180 w. shange to the winder

Monte Carlo Series:

- 94210/300
Automatic. 300 series dial looks like the one in the later series

- 71490/590/690
Manual Wind

- 7031/7032
Manual wind

[bagel]

Originally Posted by Rawhyde

Thanks Bagel and Neil. This is the most information I've ever seen in one place regarding the Tudor Chronographs. I knew a little (and posted it), and learned a lot.

Gedanken, that's a nice comparison pic between the Big Block and the vintage Daytona. After wearing a Big Block for many years, I'm compelled to say that I'm a little disappointed in the Daytona. It's just too thin and lightweight. Also, it's hard to understand some people who think a Sub or a SD is too bulky. Subs and 'dwellers are lightweights too!

I can't afford it, but I'd like to try on a DSSD. It looks like it has some presence to it!

Rawhyde

Recently there is a display of basel 2008 rolex and tudor models in HK and I have a chance to try on Rolex DSSD and Iconaut ... and I just love both and can't resist ..... esp the Tudor Iconaut ...

[bagel]

Originally Posted by kent_kurt

Hi,
Great thread, I was just researching tudor chronos!
The following is info from this thread and some elsewhere, lets see if I've gotten the timeline right.
Am I missing any models here?

- 20300-9500 Current model

- 79260/70/80
Text on dial changed from "Oysterdate" (Tudor case/crown) to "Princedate" (Rolex case/crown).

- 79160/70/80
Late 1980's to early 1990's. "Big Block" Acrylic crystal. "Tiger" (Tudor case/crown) branding 1997-2002.
- 94200 later renamed to 76180 w. shange to the winder

Monte Carlo Series:

- 94210/300
Automatic. 300 series dial looks like the one in the later series

- 71490/590/690
Manual Wind

- 7031/7032
Manual wind

Some more info on Monte Carlo that I have posted earlier ....

1st generation (left 7032/0)
Ref No. : 7031/0 (fixed bezel) and 7032/0 (steel bezel)
Production Year ~ early 1970's
S/N ~ likely 75xxxx to 76xxxx
Movement : valjoux 7734 manual


2nd generation (middle 7169/0)
Ref No. : 7149/0 (fixed bezel), 7159/0 (steel bezel), 7169/0 (rotable bezel)
Production Year ~ early to mid/late 70's
S/N ~ likely 77xxxx to 84xxxx
Movement : valjoux 234 manual


3rd generation (right 94300)
Ref No. : 94200 (or 9420/0) (fixed bezel), 94300 (or 9430/0) (steel bezel), 94210 (or 9421/0) (rotable bezel)
Production Year ~ mid/late 70's to late 80's
S/N ~ likely 88xxxx to 26xxxx
Movement : valjoux 7750 automatic

[kent_kurt]

Hi,

How about dial variations for the 791xx series?
I've only found 4 dials so far:
Silver w. black subdials
Silver w. white subdials
Black w. white subdials
White w. black subdials

(images below are shamefully borrowed from the web)

Are there any more for this series? Perhaps a black w. silver subdials?
I've noticed that the72xx series has a much larger number of dials, but for the 71xx I've only seen these 4 so far.

[Rawhyde]

There is also a white with silver sub-dials

[bagel]

For the 791x0 series, I think the combinations dials and subdials are more or less the same those I have come across but its seems that I have never come across a white dial but only silver dial instead.

However, there are also variations from time to time for 791x0 series esp for the black dial. The most distinguishable are that for the earlier type of 791x0, it came with T SWISS T, a frame outside the date window, and also the chamfered type of hour marker. While for the latter batch, it came with T SWISS MADE T, no frame for date window, and straight hour marker. See pic below (all pictures borrowed) :

T SWISS T, frame for date window, and chamfered hour marker




T SWISS MADE T, no frame for date window, straight hour marker



Apart from that, the earlier type of black dial are of dull surface while the latter batch are of glossy type surface. Also, there are alos small variations on the subdials too.

[kent_kurt]

Ok, so only these dials then?
Silver w. black subdials
Silver w. white subdials
Black w. white subdials

[chad951]

Does anyone know what it would take to find a mint 79180 with a black face? I am currently looking for one. I just happened to have a Rolex catalog from 1989 and it shows the Tudor line. I figured I would share it so here you go. I am looking for a black face version of the watch you see in the image. Enjoy!

[Dan Pierce]

Great detailed info on this thread. Thanks for everybodies contributions. I've learned my 79170 has the later dial version.
dP

[Trurolexer]

Originally Posted by SPACE-DWELLER

I for my part am not big on Tudors.

But maybe this Tudor Reference Sites overview can give you more information about the Big Block and 79280.

Nice site, Bo!!!

[veefour]

[QUOTE=chad951;600075]Does anyone know what it would take to find a mint 79180 with a black face? I am currently looking for one. I just happened to have a Rolex catalog from 1989 and it shows the Tudor line. I figured I would share it so here you go. I am looking for a black face version of the watch you see in the image. Enjoy!

Here's a 79170
http://www.chrono24.com/web/es/suche...nzahlgesamt=29

And an older one
http://www.chrono24.com/web/es/suche...nzahlgesamt=29

[celdon]

Hi guys, i've a 94210 tudor chronograph sliver dial with black register and after seeing all the various pics of this watch i notice the dial on my watch which had only the word 'tudor' without oysterdate or prince date that i had seen on the pics of the watch posted here and i cant seem to find out more.

Anyone?

[Dan Pierce]

Originally Posted by celdon

Hi guys, i've a 94210 tudor chronograph sliver dial with black register and after seeing all the various pics of this watch i notice the dial on my watch which had only the word 'tudor' without oysterdate or prince date that i had seen on the pics of the watch posted here and i cant seem to find out more.

Anyone?

I think the earliest dials only had Tudor on them. Should be OK.
dP

[arttay10]

I missed this thread first time round - but what a great read !!!

[Dan Pierce]

Originally Posted by arttay10

I missed this thread first time round - but what a great read !!!

Agreed. There's more Tudor chrono info in this thread than any other place on the net.
dP

[arttay10]

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

Agreed. There's more Tudor chrono info in this thread than any other place on the net.
dP

Being honest Dan - I was shocked about the enthusiasm and the amount of knowledge being passed back and forth. Really is a great thread !! - and thats from a guy who does'nt have a Tudor !!!............................................... .................... Yet

[Dan Pierce]

Originally Posted by arttay10

Being honest Dan - I was shocked about the enthusiasm and the amount of knowledge being passed back and forth. Really is a great thread !! - and thats from a guy who does'nt have a Tudor !!!............................................... .................... Yet

Only a matter of time, Stuart. Oh, and money.
dP

[1MAC]

Originally Posted by Tony-GB

Hi Everyone

Just seeking to improve my knowledge of Tudor Chronograph's. What's the difference between a Big Block & a 79280 (Tudor Prnice Date Chronograph).

What's the difference in value? Any wrist shots?

Thanks in advance

Since the original question does not seem to have been answered, I'll try. A 79160 Big Block seems to be increasing in value lately. I've only found one, and they're asking $4995 US. 79280 are available BNIB for $2500-2800.

[bagel]

Originally Posted by celdon

Hi guys, i've a 94210 tudor chronograph sliver dial with black register and after seeing all the various pics of this watch i notice the dial on my watch which had only the word 'tudor' without oysterdate or prince date that i had seen on the pics of the watch posted here and i cant seem to find out more.

Anyone?

This kind of "tudor" dial corresponds to the earlier version. Typically, it should have a serial number of 92xxxx or earlier.

[gmt 16750]

Originally Posted by kent_kurt

Ok, so only these dials then?
Silver w. black subdials
Silver w. white subdials
Black w. white subdials

You were right the 1st time Kent - there is indeed a white dial c/w black sub-dials for the 791** series.
Here is a 79160 that I used to have:

[celdon]

Thanks Dan and bagel. I had this watch for 2 yrs now. Whenever i wear this watch it never fail to attract attention. I like yours Dan. Black dial with white register! Minty!