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Old 13 June 2019, 05:25 AM   #61
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It was discoed years ago and many were sold for the 2 new ROs and prices plummeted to £6K even with no new supply reflecting its value in the market. Plus we hardly see any here, so no they are not that popular, those who have them may like them, but they are a minority.
Your logic makes NO sense. So because you do not see them for sale, that means they aren't "popular". This would mean people do not want to sell them and the fact that they are selling above 15400 and 15500 prices support that. I do not understand your logic at all. Takuya had one for 25.5K and sold in a couple of days, Nashville Watch had one at 26.5K and sold in a day. If that isn't "popular" or in demand, I do not know what is. 400's and 550's do not sell that fast or for that price.
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Old 13 June 2019, 06:22 AM   #62
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It was discoed years ago and many were sold for the 2 new ROs and prices plummeted to £6K even with no new supply reflecting its value in the market. Plus we hardly see any here, so no they are not that popular, those who have them may like them, but they are a minority.
The days of 6k GBP are so over for every watch. 5711 for 19k CAD used and new for 22K CAD from the AD. Horrible old discoed 3710 1A for 16K CAD. I could go on.

"Plus we hardly see any here so they are not that popular"? Actually that means the opposite is true. Honestly, it is a little embarrassing for you at this point.

We get it, you prefer other options but you don't make a coherent argument about the point of the thread and are grasping at straws to justify your taste.
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Old 13 June 2019, 07:22 AM   #63
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this is a nice watches but only if suit and tie ><
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Old 13 June 2019, 07:52 AM   #64
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Old 13 June 2019, 10:27 AM   #65
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Not very many 15300’s for sale

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Your logic makes NO sense. So because you do not see them for sale, that means they aren't "popular". This would mean people do not want to sell them and the fact that they are selling above 15400 and 15500 prices support that. I do not understand your logic at all. Takuya had one for 25.5K and sold in a couple of days, Nashville Watch had one at 26.5K and sold in a day. If that isn't "popular" or in demand, I do not know what is. 400's and 550's do not sell that fast or for that price.


To be fair both those 15300 were blue and nobody is listing blue 15500 for that low. Closer to 30k ask and Thanh sold one quick.

I think all steel royal oaks are desirable. Prices may vary but they are all liquid.
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Old 13 June 2019, 10:42 AM   #66
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Not very many 15300’s for sale

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To be fair both those 15300 were blue and nobody is listing blue 15500 for that low. Closer to 30k ask and Thanh sold one quick.

I think all steel royal oaks are desirable. Prices may vary but they are all liquid.


True on the blue. But the 15300 blue has been escalating, the 15500's just came out and are asking that, you think they will continue to rise as well?

Anyhow, my only point is that someone here has some really strange logic.


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Old 13 June 2019, 10:47 AM   #67
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Keep in mind AP only makes around 40,000 watches a year and the stainless Royal Oaks are a small portion of that number so that’s one factor.

I do agree the 15300 is the perfect RO with the same 39mm size but added water resistance with a screw down crown, the added seconds hand and a beefier case and bracelet.

That being said, I’ve never seen one in person. Several years back I passed on a 15202 from an AD because I felt the bracelet was too dainty and I was scared of the non screw down crown and a bit annoyed by the lack of a quick set date.

So.. I bought a black 15400 over a 5167 and am very happy with my choice as I got it for around 20%off MSRP BNIB from that trusted seller in Orlando. Granted it was 2016.

I saw David had a white 15300 in good condition on his site the other day under $20k and it disappeared very quickly. To me the white is the one to get since it has the matching date wheel.
Although I have seen some posts where owners sent in their blue and black 15300’s for service and you can now get a matching date wheel.

Unless they bring back a 15300 size royal oak, I think it will do very well in the future.
I wouldn’t discount a re-issue of a 38-39mm RO.
Remember, the just released a 38mm ROC
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Old 13 June 2019, 10:50 AM   #68
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I like them all (15300, 15450, 15202, 15400, 15500)...they are all great, though I do prefer smaller sizes RO and they get more wrist times than their bigger size cousins













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Old 13 June 2019, 11:42 AM   #69
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I would be interested to know how many 15300st were made. Does anybody have this information?
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Old 13 June 2019, 12:00 PM   #70
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True on the blue. But the 15300 blue has been escalating, the 15500's just came out and are asking that, you think they will continue to rise as well?

Anyhow, my only point is that someone here has some really strange logic.


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Hell I don't even want to bother guessing where prices are going anymore. I bought my first RO for 13k bnib from an AP AD in manhattan just 3-4 years ago and now I am elated to pay 20k+ and resale is closer to 30 lol

I do not see demand for the RO in steel going down unless all boats are sinking that is for certain.
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Your logic makes NO sense. So because you do not see them for sale, that means they aren't "popular". This would mean people do not want to sell them and the fact that they are selling above 15400 and 15500 prices support that. I do not understand your logic at all. Takuya had one for 25.5K and sold in a couple of days, Nashville Watch had one at 26.5K and sold in a day. If that isn't "popular" or in demand, I do not know what is. 400's and 550's do not sell that fast or for that price.
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The days of 6k GBP are so over for every watch. 5711 for 19k CAD used and new for 22K CAD from the AD. Horrible old discoed 3710 1A for 16K CAD. I could go on.

"Plus we hardly see any here so they are not that popular"? Actually that means the opposite is true. Honestly, it is a little embarrassing for you at this point.

We get it, you prefer other options but you don't make a coherent argument about the point of the thread and are grasping at straws to justify your taste.
I realise you are both owners but get a grip and try to READ what I actually wrote! I said they were not as popular as the 15202, esp when that and the 400 were released and thus the price fell to £6k, at the same time the 15400 was £9K and the 202 £15K so the market was saying they were not popular or in demand then.

Prices have moved up for many things, esp for some discoed pieces but that does not mean they are super popular now, they are just rare and caught up in the hype so their prices move faster, look at the PP 5980 and 5726 as a comparison, those have shot up in price but they are and were never a very popular Nautilus. And if they were very popular we would see more of them on this forum, and I'm NOT talking about for sale as you keep going on about. Stop being so defensive, these are the facts of the history of the watch.
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Old 13 June 2019, 11:31 PM   #72
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I realise you are both owners but get a grip and try to READ what I actually wrote! I said they were not as popular as the 15202, esp when that and the 400 were released and thus the price fell to £6k, at the same time the 15400 was £9K and the 202 £15K so the market was saying they were not popular or in demand then.

Prices have moved up for many things, esp for some discoed pieces but that does not mean they are super popular now, they are just rare and caught up in the hype so their prices move faster, look at the PP 5980 and 5726 as a comparison, those have shot up in price but they are and were never a very popular Nautilus. And if they were very popular we would see more of them on this forum, and I'm NOT talking about for sale as you keep going on about. Stop being so defensive, these are the facts of the history of the watch.
I do not know what YOU are "going on about". I could care less if someone likes it or not but your logic below still makes zero sense. And we are not discussing what is popular or what WAS popular, its why you do not see many for sale. And my guess is you do not because people are not selling them and choose to keep, hence the value going up. Unlike a recently discontinued piece like you compared above.

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It's not down talking, it is a descriptive fact the watch is bezel heavy and dial small, a problem AP acknowledged with the larger 15400 only there they went too dial heavy and wide for me, so I think 40mm would be the ideal size for this RO. But its size proportions are one reason why they are not as popular as the 202 and thus one of the reasons why you don't see many of them for sale. We are having these exact discussions over the 15500 and 15400 now, all part of forum debate and opinions, only on incoming threads are we to be positive only.
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I do not know what YOU are "going on about". I could care less if someone likes it or not but your logic below still makes zero sense. And we are not discussing what is popular or what WAS popular, its why you do not see many for sale. And my guess is you do not because people are not selling them and choose to keep, hence the value going up. Unlike a recently discontinued piece like you compared above.
It recalls the boxer who, despite being out on his feet, keeps wanting to continue. Is it courage? Determination? Pride? Whatever the case it has always spurred both admiration and pity in me.
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I do not know what YOU are "going on about". I could care less if someone likes it or not but your logic below still makes zero sense. And we are not discussing what is popular or what WAS popular, its why you do not see many for sale. And my guess is you do not because people are not selling them and choose to keep, hence the value going up. Unlike a recently discontinued piece like you compared above.
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It recalls the boxer who, despite being out on his feet, keeps wanting to continue. Is it courage? Determination? Pride? Whatever the case it has always spurred both admiration and pity in me.
I've made my points and they are very clear but you are both very sensitive so lets drop it now before people start getting themselves into trouble with stupid and personal comments. Watch yourselves.
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Old 14 June 2019, 03:45 AM   #75
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Some sensitive people on here.

I think AK797 made reasonable arguments about the past popularity (or lack of) of the 15300. And others have made good points about why THEY prefer other RO models.

Others have made good cases for why THEY prefer the 15300.

They’re all great models, and nobody’s preferences are wrong.

As to the original question, they are scarce on the second hand market mostly because they have been discontinued for 7 years, and were never made in great numbers in the first place.

Likewise, I’m sure in 2026, there will be fewer 15400s on the used market than 15500s. That won’t prove anything in regards to popularity.
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Old 14 June 2019, 04:22 AM   #76
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15300 owners seem to be extra sensitive about what others think, it's a nice AP, enjoy it. Potential future collectible but currently not as popular as 400/202/500. The thread topic opens the discussion to various opinions, no need to be so defensive and besides OP bailed a while ago.
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Old 14 June 2019, 04:39 AM   #77
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I think everyone is entitled to their own opinions. You will find the greatest value in the enjoyment you get in wearing your particular piece.

The 15300 owners will prefer their 15300; the 15400 owners will prefer their 15400, and so forth.

At the end of the day, watches are like farts. Everyone prefers their own.
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The only sensitive person here is the one threatening people on the internet.
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Some sensitive people on here.

I think AK797 made reasonable arguments about the past popularity (or lack of) of the 15300. And others have made good points about why THEY prefer other RO models.

Others have made good cases for why THEY prefer the 15300.

They’re all great models, and nobody’s preferences are wrong.

As to the original question, they are scarce on the second hand market mostly because they have been discontinued for 7 years, and were never made in great numbers in the first place.

Likewise, I’m sure in 2026, there will be fewer 15400s on the used market than 15500s. That won’t prove anything in regards to popularity.
How many do you think were made? During their production run we saw big watches take over and indeed AP brought out the 15400 perhaps as an attempt to regain sales. I surmise that the total 15300 st production was very small, certainly less than the 15400 and, as others have said, will end up being fewer than the 15202.
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It recalls the boxer who, despite being out on his feet, keeps wanting to continue. Is it courage? Determination? Pride? Whatever the case it has always spurred both admiration and pity in me.
May 2019. Not a great intro to the forum so far.
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The only sensitive person here is the one threatening people on the internet.

Hmmm... maybe it seems that way to you, but as an outside party, That’s not what I’m seeing.
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The 15300 seems to have a lot of merit as a daily beater, I'm looking for one if anyone has any leads.
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The 15300 seems to have a lot of merit as a daily beater, I'm looking for one if anyone has any leads.

I hear that there are not many for sale.
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I hear that there are not many for sale.
Why would I sell?

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Same here, nearly sold my blue 15300 until i realized that it would a huge mistake. Three of the biggest names in 1 watch.
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What a beautiful 15300 white!
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Same here, nearly sold my blue 15300 until i realized that it would a huge mistake. Three of the biggest names in 1 watch.
Same here. And when I buckled it on this morning, I kicked myself again for almost selling it and I came very close, guess it was meant to be! Love this one.

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Same here. And when I buckled it on this morning, I kicked myself again for almost selling it and I came very close, guess it was meant to be! Love this one.
Wise decision! Beautiful version of the Genta original. Size, proportions, dial look and balance and screw down crown, they are, imho, the best ROs one can get.

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