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Old 13 June 2019, 09:56 PM   #1
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Vacheron Constantin Fifty-six SS Chronograph

Was just over at the VC dealer to try on VCO again to see if I warmed up to the large size.

The SA started displaying a blue VC FiftySix time-only model. Not really what I was after but must say the polishing of the case is very nice, reminds of Grand Seiko Zaratsu polishing.

Anyway then she showed me a VC FiftySix Stainless steel Chronograph, automatic, in the catalogue. That actually got my interest, 40mm case, 12.1(?) mm tall and looked nice from pictures although it reminded a little of a JLC master. Should have taken a picture from catalogue because I cannot find any info from VC website.

Has anyone seen this model or have more info?
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Old 14 June 2019, 12:25 AM   #2
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I don't think it has been released yet.. don't see any info anywhere on internet.
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Old 14 June 2019, 03:21 AM   #3
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Do you mean the day date? Kind of looks like chronograph registers.
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Old 14 June 2019, 04:20 AM   #4
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Vacheron Constantin Fifty-six SS Chronograph

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Do you mean the day date? Kind of looks like chronograph registers.


Nope, it was a chronograph for sure. Had three registers and date at 4. The buttons was flat type, like JLC Master control chrono.

I asked which movement, but she gave me some internal VC number. Perhaps same as in VCO chrono.

Would get back with price and expected delivery.
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Old 15 June 2019, 07:59 PM   #5
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I have seen the same chrono in the dealer's catalogue. I'll see if I could find the picture on my phone later. The only thing is the movement is not Geneva Seal, it could be that so the prices are not over the roof. However afaik these are not in production, it could be something in the pipeline.
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Old 15 June 2019, 08:11 PM   #6
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I have seen the same chrono in the dealer's catalogue. I'll see if I could find the picture on my phone later. The only thing is the movement is not Geneva Seal, it could be that so the prices are not over the roof. However afaik these are not in production, it could be something in the pipeline.
If it is in the catalogue they would be in production.

As for no Geneva seal; either the entry level 56 is selling great as such VC feel they do not need the seal on the chrono or VC have dug in their heels and ignored the criticism of the lack of the seal on the entry level 56.

Personally, considering all other 56 have the Geneva Seal, the lack of one on the chrono feels like a mistake.
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Old 15 June 2019, 08:46 PM   #7
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I'm wondering if I'm allowed to post these photos as it's only available in the dealer's catalogue?
AFAIk it's priced between the DayDate and the Complete Calendar.
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Old 15 June 2019, 09:12 PM   #8
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I'm wondering if I'm allowed to post these photos as it's only available in the dealer's catalogue?
AFAIk it's priced between the DayDate and the Complete Calendar.
Post away.
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Old 16 June 2019, 05:17 AM   #9
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Here you go:









It does look quite similar to the DayDate. Comparing both side by side.

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Old 16 June 2019, 05:22 AM   #10
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Beautiful dial. Good looking watch.
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Old 16 June 2019, 07:48 AM   #11
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It does look quite similar to the DayDate. Comparing both side by side.





Catalog says 2018 and this watch still isn’t out yet ? Seems odd


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Old 16 June 2019, 12:45 PM   #12
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Could have gone without that 4 o'clock date, but I like it.
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Old 16 June 2019, 06:09 PM   #13
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Thanks for posting the photos. Considering that it is in the 2018 catalogue, I wonder whether VC scrapped the chrono.
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Old 16 June 2019, 08:16 PM   #14
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Thanks for finding and posting the pics!!

Think it looks good but might be to bland, especially when missing the Geneva seal. Should definitely be worth to see if it comes out.
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Old 16 June 2019, 08:20 PM   #15
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That's what I think too. Maybe they are gauging to see how well the FiftySix series would run? Also I still think it looks visually similar to the DayDate
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Old 16 June 2019, 08:21 PM   #16
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Is it just a fancier version of this?

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Old 16 June 2019, 08:23 PM   #17
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The one thing that might be annoying in the long run with fiftysix are those numbers. I like that the case is a little different.
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Old 17 June 2019, 03:35 AM   #18
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Didn't like the JLC Master Control series, the printed dial felt lacking across all three.
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Old 17 June 2019, 05:45 PM   #19
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Anybody have any info on the caliber 1336? It is 26.2 mm, obviously too small for the 40 mm case. Why didn’t they use the larger cal 5200 found in the Overseas Chronograph? Is 1336 a cheaper outsourced movement? I can’t imagine that VC made a new smaller movement since they pretty much only have large watches these days. Or is it a modular chrono built on the Cartier movement found in the 56 time and date watch?
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Old 17 June 2019, 08:52 PM   #20
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If it is in the catalogue they would be in production.



As for no Geneva seal; either the entry level 56 is selling great as such VC feel they do not need the seal on the chrono or VC have dug in their heels and ignored the criticism of the lack of the seal on the entry level 56.



Personally, considering all other 56 have the Geneva Seal, the lack of one on the chrono feels like a mistake.


So which of any of the fifty-six models have the seal? Also, how important is having it? I presume it’s added value on the resale?


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Old 17 June 2019, 08:52 PM   #21
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Anybody have any info on the caliber 1336? It is 26.2 mm, obviously too small for the 40 mm case. Why didn’t they use the larger cal 5200 found in the Overseas Chronograph? Is 1336 a cheaper outsourced movement? I can’t imagine that VC made a new smaller movement since they pretty much only have large watches these days. Or is it a modular chrono built on the Cartier movement found in the 56 time and date watch?
It looks suspiciously similar in architecture to a JLC 751 movement.

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Old 17 June 2019, 09:16 PM   #22
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So which of any of the fifty-six models have the seal? Also, how important is having it? I presume it’s added value on the resale?


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All of the 56 models, apart from the entry-level time and date model, have the seal. The seal is allegedly important because it shows the level of finishing VC is renowned for.

The argument goes by one particular model not having the seal it weakens the entire brand. Personally, I think that argument is a load of ... but VC copped a lot of criticism from the watch media (as well as from forum posters) due to that one watch not having the seal. The result also has led to a lot of misinformation where in any discussion about the 56 range, people assume that the entire line do not have the seal.
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Anybody have any info on the caliber 1336? It is 26.2 mm, obviously too small for the 40 mm case. Why didn’t they use the larger cal 5200 found in the Overseas Chronograph? Is 1336 a cheaper outsourced movement? I can’t imagine that VC made a new smaller movement since they pretty much only have large watches these days. Or is it a modular chrono built on the Cartier movement found in the 56 time and date watch?
It would have been a Richemont movement, so in that sense it is an in-house movement. However, it would not have been a VC movement because of the lack of the Geneva Seal.

As the chrono has not seen the light of day, I am almost certain that the negative reaction to the time and date model not having the seal led to the watch being scrapped (or to be released later with a VC movement).
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Old 17 June 2019, 11:01 PM   #24
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It looks suspiciously similar in architecture to a JLC 751 movement.

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That would make sense considering the historical ties between the companies

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It would have been a Richemont movement, so in that sense it is an in-house movement. However, it would not have been a VC movement because of the lack of the Geneva Seal.

As the chrono has not seen the light of day, I am almost certain that the negative reaction to the time and date model not having the seal led to the watch being scrapped (or to be released later with a VC movement).
Well the 56 range was released as an entry into VC, so I don’t think it is that controversial, however a bit confusng since only the time and date model lacks the seal. Maybe they want to test the line a bit more before releasing the chrono, one can only hope they use a manual chronograph movement instead though.
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Old 17 June 2019, 11:24 PM   #25
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Don’t understand how this slipped through all the watch press. Thanks for posting.
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Old 18 June 2019, 04:39 AM   #26
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Don’t understand how this slipped through all the watch press. Thanks for posting.


Embargoed probably and they don’t want to bite the hand that feeds them.
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Old 18 June 2019, 09:33 AM   #27
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Here's the one with Geneva Seal
The movement is similar to the Traditionelle DayDate except for the skeletonised rotor.



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