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Old 6 June 2019, 07:34 AM   #1
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16610 or 16610LV

Hi,

I bought the watch recently (from Watchfinder UK). As you see on the photos, paper says it is 16610 but the green tag says 16610LV.

The bezel is black. Bought in UK. Country code 160. D-serial, so I think it is from 2005, bought in 2006.

What do you think? Is it 16610 or should it have green bezel as in 16610LV?

The last photo is just for comparison. Green bezel with LV on the tag.

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Old 6 June 2019, 08:07 AM   #2
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Might be my tired old eyes but it doesn’t appear to have the correct dial for a LV.
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Old 6 June 2019, 08:12 AM   #3
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Nothing there says LV to me except the sticker on the hang tag.

Does Great Britain market (160 code) guarantees come in French?
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Old 6 June 2019, 08:20 AM   #4
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Sorry to say but unless someone swapped the bezel and dial it is not an LV.
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Old 6 June 2019, 08:21 AM   #5
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D888888888888? Strikes me as unusual to be just on watchfinder, when it would get a huge premium in the far east. Have you double-checked the serial number on the case? The numbers look weird on the hangtag and guarantee sticker. The guarantee paper seems to be missing some punch holes next to the metal (unless they are covered by the watch).

Also, as said above, the French only language seems unusual for a UK born watch.
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Old 6 June 2019, 08:40 AM   #6
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Given that the seller is Watchfinder, who have a bulletproof reputation and as far as I’m aware have all their watches inspected by a watchmaker prior to trading them, Occam’s Razor would suggest that the watch is a pukka 16610 that has been bundled with an erroneously printed hang tag.

Nevertheless if it were me I’d take it to RSC St. James’s Square to make 100% sure.
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Old 6 June 2019, 08:58 AM   #7
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Given that the seller is Watchfinder, who have a bulletproof reputation and as far as I’m aware have all their watches inspected by a watchmaker prior to trading them, Occam’s Razor would suggest that the watch is a pukka 16610 that has been bundled with an erroneously printed hang tag.

Nevertheless if it were me I’d take it to RSC St. James’s Square to make 100% sure.
No doubt the watch is legit, the paperwork seems a bit crook though. Ir maybe i’m just too cynical
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Old 6 June 2019, 09:21 AM   #8
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Given that the seller is Watchfinder, who have a bulletproof reputation . . .
Hold that thought :

https://www.policeprofessional.com/n...k-for-support/

How many stolen watches from just one seller?

They have often made mistakes in identification, too. I had a professional footballer bring me a gold Day-Date they'd sold him. I pointed out the fake President bracelet and their response was "why would someone make one of those?"

The footballer's watch was replaced......by one that Watchfinder bought from me !

Redials also not recognised, etc.....there are far worse sellers, but don't be over-confident in them.
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Old 6 June 2019, 09:56 AM   #9
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Nothing there says LV to me except the sticker on the hang tag.

Does Great Britain market (160 code) guarantees come in French?
I think they are all in French in every European country, the watch package will come with a little green 'guarantee translation booklet' to accommodate every country. Rolex USA certificates are in English. - I may be wrong but I think I'm right.

The green tag was the only indicator that an LV was infact an LV. Perhaps someone converted this LV to LN back in the day when they were not so valuable (I sold an LV back in 2006 for £2200). The only way to tell for sure if it's a real LV, is to check the case and movement numbers with Rolex.

EDIT: if it is correct, that is a very cool serial number!
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Old 6 June 2019, 09:59 AM   #10
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Question is was it advertised as a 11610 or 11610LV? If the latter you have been screwed. The LV has a maxi indices which the watch in the photos clearly lacks. And the bezel obviously. Next question is does the SN between the lugs match the paperwork?
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Old 6 June 2019, 04:43 PM   #11
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Thanks all.
Serial number – this is my fault, I should have been mentioned that. I changed it in the photo editing software. Just to hide the real serial number.


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Have you double-checked the serial number on the case? The numbers look weird on the hangtag and guarantee sticker.
Yes, I have checked. The serial number matches the papers.

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Question is was it advertised as a 11610 or 11610LV? If the latter you have been screwed.
It was advertised as 16610.

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The green tag was the only indicator that an LV was infact an LV. Perhaps someone converted this LV to LN back in the day when they were not so valuable
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Nothing there says LV to me except the sticker on the hang tag.
Yes, and this is something that confuses me. I think this might be just error but looking at the last photo (watch with green bezel) I am confused.

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Does Great Britain market (160 code) guarantees come in French?
I am not sure. I believe it is in French for Europe. Let’s wait for someone from UK to confirm that. It is still early here (8 a.m.)


Anyway, I am happy with the watch. This is my first Rolex. It has settled in. Keep the time very nice. And obviously I like it a lot 😊
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Old 6 June 2019, 04:57 PM   #12
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Hold that thought :

https://www.policeprofessional.com/n...k-for-support/

How many stolen watches from just one seller?

They have often made mistakes in identification, too. I had a professional footballer bring me a gold Day-Date they'd sold him. I pointed out the fake President bracelet and their response was "why would someone make one of those?"

The footballer's watch was replaced......by one that Watchfinder bought from me !

Redials also not recognised, etc.....there are far worse sellers, but don't be over-confident in them.

Good information thank you.

There are various reasons I only buy from an AD, most of them are irrational. I can add a rational reason to the list now...
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Old 6 June 2019, 07:11 PM   #13
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Good information thank you.

There are various reasons I only buy from an AD, most of them are irrational. I can add a rational reason to the list now...
Surely my link to that Police Professional article should shape your opinion only of Watchfinder and BQW?

There are plenty of good pre-owned dealers among the...er...others.

In answer to other posters:

Oui, bien sur, chronometer certificates supplied with UK Rolex watches were in French.

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Old 6 June 2019, 07:59 PM   #14
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I don't know what pics you're looking at but I'm suspicious

1st pic - the box looks fake , the "8"s have been photoshopped , maybe the was one 8 and they've copied and pasted to hide serial , the watch is clearly an LN ,

2nd pic - the serial number hiding behind the watch punched out with holes , the third digit is clearly not an 8 , again its an LN not an lv

3rd pic - the booklet pshopped with the "8"s again but again I presume this was done on purpose to hide the serial, but if this was done who is to say the same person or op didn't photoshop an "lv" on the hang tag

4th pic totally unrelated to first 3
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There are plenty of good pre-owned dealers among the...er...others.
I certainly don’t doubt it.
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Nothing there says LV to me except the sticker on the hang tag.

Does Great Britain market (160 code) guarantees come in French?
I understand All Europe warranty cards are in French.
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Old 7 June 2019, 01:35 AM   #17
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I don't know what pics you're looking at but I'm suspicious

1st pic - the box looks fake , the "8"s have been photoshopped , maybe the was one 8 and they've copied and pasted to hide serial , the watch is clearly an LN ,

2nd pic - the serial number hiding behind the watch punched out with holes , the third digit is clearly not an 8 , again its an LN not an lv

3rd pic - the booklet pshopped with the "8"s again but again I presume this was done on purpose to hide the serial, but if this was done who is to say the same person or op didn't photoshop an "lv" on the hang tag

4th pic totally unrelated to first 3
Read the rest of the thread before you post lol .. the OP did the photoshopping of the 8's to obscure the real serial no and he also says the 4th pic is a different watch (used as an example of a real LV) in the first post..
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Old 7 June 2019, 01:41 AM   #18
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Read the rest of the thread before you post lol .. the OP did the photoshopping of the 8's to obscure the real serial no and he also says the 4th pic is a different watch (used as an example of a real LV) in the first post..
Ok I see that further down

So what is his question ? Whether it’s an LV that’s been modified to look like an LN including black insert , hands and dial ?

Highly unlikely !
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Old 7 June 2019, 01:56 AM   #19
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Maybe, maybe not.. unlikely, but not unplausible.. as I posted above, there was a time an LV was not worth very much more than an LN (less than £500 more).. I should know as I sold an LV in 2006 for just £2200 (my crystal ball was out for repair that day)!

I think the OP should take it to Rolex and ask them to confirm if it was LV or LN when new, they will know. If it's an LV - great score!
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Will Rolex put it back to lv spec at a fraction of the price or buying the parts separately as only then would it be worth it , look forward to a good outcome
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Will Rolex put it back to lv spec at a fraction of the price or buying the parts separately as only then would it be worth it , look forward to a good outcome
Yes they would do. Makes you wonder why someone at watchfinder didn’t think of that.
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Old 7 June 2019, 05:39 AM   #22
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I will edit first post, it causes a lot of confusion because of the changed serial number.

How likely would it be that it is (was) a really LV? Can I send it to RSC and ask for clarification? Or will they ask me to go for full service?

If there is a high probability of that the watch was LV as new, I would be happy to pay for service and parts and restore it to the LV version. But if not, I am not sure.

Is there anyone here with black Sub Date with the same tag as mine (showing LV)?
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I will edit first post, it causes a lot of confusion because of the changed serial number.

How likely would it be that it is (was) a really LV? Can I send it to RSC and ask for clarification? Or will they ask me to go for full service?

If there is a high probability of that the watch was LV as new, I would be happy to pay for service and parts and restore it to the LV version. But if not, I am not sure.

Is there anyone here with black Sub Date with the same tag as mine (showing LV)?
You can send it to the RSC and ask for a service estimate. They will tell you everything that was original and give you a quote for the work. You can say no to the serivce and still get the information.
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Old 7 June 2019, 05:45 AM   #24
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Excellent. Thanks for that. I will try to send it and once I get more info I will share it here.
Which RSC would you recommend in the UK?

P.S. I'm afraid I cannot edit my first post. Only the last one.
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I think there is only one RSC in the UK buddy.. just give it your your nearest AD, they will send it in..
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UK RSC's are in London (St James Square) and Kent (Kings Hill). You can walk in if you're nearby. Otherwise, your AD can dispatch it for you.

Filter for service center to obtain the contact information for each. https://www.rolex.com/rolex-dealers/...=unitedkingdom
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Check model number between lugs and see if it says 16610 or 16610LV
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Check model number between lugs and see if it says 16610 or 16610LV
It will say 16610 T regardless of whether it’s an LV or an LN.
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Old 8 June 2019, 05:46 AM   #29
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Yes, It says 16610 T. See the photo.

I called RSC in London today. I am going the send the watch over there next week.

If there is anyone from UK with 16610LV could you share what have you got on paper and on the green tag?
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Yes, It says 16610 T. See the photo.

I called RSC in London today. I am going the send the watch over there next week.

If there is anyone from UK with 16610LV could you share what have you got on paper and on the green tag?
Papers will only state 16610 on both an LN and LV. The tag will be the only thing identifying it as an LV. In my opinion it’s a converted LV.
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