Sub 16800 Patina

[wjviper]

Gents,

Mind shining a bit of light on this peice. The patina is a gorgeous on the dial and hands just unsure if the dial has water damage or just age...your thoughts are appreciated.

[R!$]

that is water damage...not patina

[FTX I]

Originally Posted by R!$

that is water damage...not patina

How can you be so sure?

[datejust24]

Appears to be rust at the bottom of the dial, no ? Based off just that photo I would pass

[swish77]

So many of those early gloss dials age badly, whether they're Sub Dates, or SDs, or even the late 5513s. You can get weird mottling, spidering, uneven matte spots, etc .... I wouldn't assume it's water damage, unless there's other evidence, e.g. in the movement.

Regardless, I'd still pass. Damage is damage. It's a shame because that tritium does indeed have nice patina.

[FTX I]

Do you have more pics OP? I've seen much worse dials so depending on the price I think I'd consider this one.

[wjviper]

One more

[FTX I]

It can be the angle, but the right lug at 12 o'clock bothers me more than the dial. I think Aaron is right and I'd pass as well.

[Tom1675]

Originally Posted by FTX I

It can be the angle, but the right lug at 12 o'clock bothers me more than the dial. I think Aaron is right and I'd pass as well.

My take too, very thin.

[wjviper]

Going to go back tomorrow and take a few pics if they still have it. Price is shy of $6000

[Paulie 50]

If it were me, i would pass, there are plenty out there, just wait .😇

[wjviper]

Taking another look. Really couldn’t see much difference in the two lugs...maybe my finger was blocking. Pros?

[Cooper33]

Unless it's a bargain I would go for another similar. IMHO the matte dial configuration of the 16800 is much better and won't crack like the glossy dials from later production years (I don't buy this "spider dial" BS).

[1665fan]

That’s not rust that’s the very very rare orange night sky patina!!! Worth double a normal example

[05carbondrz]

Originally Posted by 1665fan

That’s not rust that’s the very very rare orange night sky patina!!! Worth double a normal example

I’d go with “Starry Night” but that’s just me....

[Tom1675]

Seeing these new pics only confirms to me the top right lug is thin.

[wjviper]

You’re joking right

Originally Posted by 1665fan

That’s not rust that’s the very very rare orange night sky patina!!! Worth double a normal example

[Gina Marie]

This one is unpolished......that lug is ok.

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[Pureform]

Where for 6k?? I'll buy it right now... Not only the patina is nice but the dial I love the spider or star spots
And even turns matte, adds to the history of rolex and are collectible... These watches sell easily for 8.5 to 9k... Hard to tell though in the bottom if those are brownish rust spots if so then yes slight water damage, have them open up the 3035 movement if everything ok...

Take pics in the angle of the lug holes and that will tell us a story if it's thin or just an illusion... If you're not interested let me know and I'll take it...

Crown and caliber,Hqmilton and so forth sells these watches easily 9 to 10k and they write beautiful spider patina or starry night patina and sell quick...


I rest my case...https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=627373
This one is 60k....https://www.hqmilton.com/timepieces/...gilt-dial-A950
35k...https://www.hqmilton.com/timepieces/...line-dial-A713
Should i keep linking them?

[Pureform]

Originally Posted by gustobruni

Unless it's a bargain I would go for another similar. IMHO the matte dial configuration of the 16800 is much better and won't crack like the glossy dials from later production years (I don't buy this "spider dial" BS).

But you buy the yellowing patina and ghost bezels? Rolex considers that damage also... The spider/stars/matte is part of history showing rolex formula for the gloss dial didnt go as planned... Only certain years did that and is part of rolex history and is considered collectible... AND GUESS what they sell like hotcakes... And i bet you 10 years from now they will be worth alot of money...

[Mapearso]

I'd hit it ...

[1665fan]

Maybe it’s the even more rare electric confetti cactus dial lol

[Iittoo]

Originally Posted by 1665fan

That’s not rust that’s the very very rare orange night sky patina!!! Worth double a normal example

Indeed, i think this look so much better than my night sky patina!!!

The price at 6K is very worth it to me at least for this watch, if buyer do not mind the slight damage or imperfection. It is a good buy for sure and some added characteristic to it.

[wjviper]

So many mixed replies! Torn!

[Pureform]

Originally Posted by wjviper

So many mixed replies! Torn!

If you're torn then let me buy it... Please pm the place where it's for sale

[dhknola]

Are they the same watch? One has the white gold surrounds and the other does not. Apologies if the thread switched Subs...

[Iittoo]

Originally Posted by wjviper

So many mixed replies! Torn!

This bring back to the basic saying, if you like it, buy it and wear it in good health. Many a times i feel that only perfect watches are deemed as buy-able but it is great to have a watch with character to it. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder as long as you like it. No one else have a say. I would also say life is too short so i do weird stuffs sometimes.

[wjviper]

This is another watch. The member was showing it!

Originally Posted by dhknola

Are they the same watch? One has the white gold surrounds and the other does not. Apologies if the thread switched Subs...

[Pureform]

Guess you buying it cause you not sending me the info

[wjviper]

At this point the only thing holding me back is the concern of the top right lug. It sure didn’t look like t was an issue in person, but might actually be as I am no expert.