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Old 22 March 2014, 03:07 AM   #31
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Aesthetically pleasing, yes, but I was thinking more in the lines of a fresh/different design (albeit inspired by past models).

Crown guards certainly perform a function, but I don't think a watch necessarily needs them to be a true diver, just like it doesn't need a He release valve, or crazy depth resistance.
I'll have to agree to disagree , crown guards to me are essential, its the main reason I haven't bought a pilot watch. I've seen a crown ripped off of a Hamilton Khaki during a boating/fishing incident so perhaps I'm hyper sensitive to crown guards but I see them as a tool watch must have. JMHO

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I think modern design, materials and engineering have perhaps made crown guards somewhat unnecessary, but I wouldn't go so far as to say obsolete, I still like knowing they are there, again JMHO
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Old 22 March 2014, 03:12 AM   #32
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I'll have to agree to disagree , crown guards to me are essential its the main reason I haven't bought a pilot watch. I've seen a crown ripped off of a Hamilton Khaki during a boating/fishing incident so perhaps I'm hyper sensitive to crown guards but I see them as a tool watch must have. JMHO

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I think modern design, materials and engineering have perhaps made crown guards somewhat unnecessary, but I would go so far as to say obsolete, I still like knowing they are there again JMHO
I think a lot of it depends on the particular crown. I've never heard of someone having a problem with an IWC 3536 - the crown on mine could take a solid hit without any sort of problem.
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Old 22 March 2014, 03:37 AM   #33
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I think a lot of it depends on the particular crown. I've never heard of someone having a problem with an IWC 3536 - the crown on mine could take a solid hit without any sort of problem.
I haven't held one, only seen photos, but doesn't the crown screw into the case somewhat?
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Old 22 March 2014, 03:47 AM   #34
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I haven't held one, only seen photos, but doesn't the crown screw into the case somewhat?
It does, but the diameter of the threaded portion is so beefy that I'd feel comfortably giving it a good hard hit without a problem.

Ultimately, it's a moot point for me though - I'm a lefty so I wear my watch with the crown pointed towards my elbow (destro style), leaving almost zero chance for damage.
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Old 22 March 2014, 03:52 AM   #35
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It does, but the diameter of the threaded portion is so beefy that I'd feel comfortably giving it a good hard hit without a problem.

Ultimately, it's a moot point for me though - I'm a lefty so I wear my watch with the crown pointed towards my elbow (destro style), leaving almost zero chance for damage.
And by design if the crown is somewhat countersunk into the case it's not the same as a guard but its free from having anything caught underneath the crown.
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Old 22 March 2014, 03:54 AM   #36
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And by design if the crown is somewhat countersunk into the case it's not the same as a guard but its free from having anything caught underneath the crown.
This is a good point. I think this is one of the best design elements of the PO and Speedy Pro cases. They protect the crown but flow so nicely
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Old 22 March 2014, 04:11 AM   #37
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the crown reminds me of the Blancpain Bathyscape.

I would love if its a thin diver with a manual winding movement. Im sure it'll be a win if done right.
If it bears the same 14mm+ case it'd be a huge letdown
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Old 22 March 2014, 04:18 AM   #38
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I'll have to agree to disagree , crown guards to me are essential, its the main reason I haven't bought a pilot watch. I've seen a crown ripped off of a Hamilton Khaki during a boating/fishing incident so perhaps I'm hyper sensitive to crown guards but I see them as a tool watch must have. JMHO

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I think modern design, materials and engineering have perhaps made crown guards somewhat unnecessary, but I wouldn't go so far as to say obsolete, I still like knowing they are there, again JMHO
I understand what you are saying, and accidents could happen underwater that damage the crown if the crown guards are not there. On normal circunstances, though, I can see a watch without crown guards being worn by a professional diver without any issues, if it meets other criteria for what a serious dive watch must provide.

It's sort of funny, because I'm pretty much playing the devil's advocate here, since I also like my watches as sturdy as possible, and the crown guards certainly play a part in that. However, I think it would be great to own watches with both types of case build, for the sake of variety and different styles in a collection.
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Old 22 March 2014, 04:28 AM   #39
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I understand what you are saying, and accidents could happen underwater that damage the crown if the crown guards are not there. On normal circunstances, though, I can see a watch without crown guards being worn by a professional diver without any issues, if it meets other criteria for what a serious dive watch must provide.

It's sort of funny, because I'm pretty much playing the devil's advocate here, since I also like my watches as sturdy as possible, and the crown guards certainly play a part in that. However, I think it would be great to own watches with both types of case build, for the sake of variety and different styles in a collection.
And of course the pre-guard models like the Rolex 6200 and 5510, they are all the rage with collectors and inspire heritage models like the Black Bay and the Kingston that Bill Yao did. But the Pelagos, the tool watch diver had guards and I would bet that this new Seamaster has a seriously strong tube and crown combo with a countersunk screw-down to be an answer to what Tudor has done.
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Old 22 March 2014, 04:40 AM   #40
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Very interested to see what this is...

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Old 22 March 2014, 06:51 AM   #41
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You would like to see another Omega LE?
No, but it wouldn't make much sense to produce tens of thousands of such throwback watches when they've got the 3570.50 with a more modern movement. I personally don't like LE watches, but I'd be interested in such a re-invented vintage piece.
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Old 22 March 2014, 06:57 AM   #42
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Huh?! Sandwich dial?!?!
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Old 22 March 2014, 08:27 AM   #43
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Very interested to see what this is...

I can't believe they went fake patina

Oh well, I'll just wait for the limited limited edition of the reissue without the fake patina I guess. Leave it to Omega to screw something up...
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Old 22 March 2014, 08:37 AM   #44
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There are other brands at Basel?
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Old 22 March 2014, 11:17 PM   #45
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Definitely interested in seeing how this turns out.
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Old 22 March 2014, 11:24 PM   #46
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i dont think you can call anything an icon at its launch , unless its one of those little pictures that sit on your desktop ,,, be interesting to see ,, dont forget the dynamic 3 has a crown like that , and its a screwdown.
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Old 23 March 2014, 01:52 AM   #47
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I don't know...but if Rolex really does give us an EVROSE SEA-Dweller 40mm ceramic this year....this Watch, whatever it may be will be knocked out of the ring...
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Old 23 March 2014, 09:23 AM   #48
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Watchtime's take:
http://www.watchtime.com/blog/fratel...elworld-2014/#
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Seems to have "aged" or patinated luminova... There goes the watch for me.
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Old 23 March 2014, 11:44 PM   #50
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Old 23 March 2014, 11:50 PM   #51
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Seems to have "aged" or patinated luminova... There goes the watch for me.
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Another today...

Its getting worse and worse IMO. TT PVD diver?
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Old 23 March 2014, 11:52 PM   #52
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Agreed.



Its getting worse and worse IMO. TT PVD diver?

My thought (and hope) is that they are using these to show off the innovation. I'd bet that members on here are correct. A version of the classic diver in a TT case or a stainless case.

I personally think it could be cool.
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Old 24 March 2014, 12:19 AM   #53
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Hopefully there will be different versions, with one in SS.
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Old 24 March 2014, 02:02 AM   #54
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Another today...

Interesting, case appears to be ceramic.
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Old 24 March 2014, 04:07 AM   #55
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If it is an even color I don't think there is anything wrong with it - besides it looks great on the Matte dial. I *might* be interested if it is available auto, no date, all stainless.

Seconds hand is Seamaster - my vintage says hello:

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Old 24 March 2014, 07:43 AM   #56
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Interesting, case appears to be ceramic.
Hmmm - on some screens it looks SS, but I agree this looks ceramic...

Either way, I was out, but the more i see of this, the more I like it!

Can't imagine a Diver being Ceramic, although Sedna gold/Ceragold bezel, TT Seamaster ... I'm back on the Bandwagon!
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Old 24 March 2014, 08:53 AM   #57
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It's possible, AP already has two carbon divers out and I believe Panerai does as well. Guess we'll find out soon enough, I'm interested to see what they and Rolex have got in store for us!
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Old 24 March 2014, 06:45 PM   #58
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i think it will be nice for vintage lovers. but it might look too new age for a "vintage"

patina i can forgive but ceramic gold sandwich? no thank you. good try though
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Old 24 March 2014, 10:20 PM   #59
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faux-tina?!?

something that drives me nuts about panerai...one or two models, okay, but, it's such a cliché these days.
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Sandwich dial, okay with that... fake patina not so much... ceramic case...
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