Is a Submariner an upgrade from a PO?

[brochblue72]

Hello Skip.
I think you made a wise move in keeping the PO.
I agree with your thoughts on the bracelet & clasp on the sub, for that kind of money you really would expect better.
They were the things that put me off a sub, & lead to me buying my Seamaster.
As the general opinion is that the new sub will have the glidelock clasp & solid links that would certainly be worth a look.

[warrior]

I have Rolex and Omega watches. This observation certainly doesn't surprise me. It kind of fits in to stereotypes. But, stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason ...or there wouldn't be stereotypes at all.

To a great extent amongst many folks ( maybe not so in this forum and not all), Rolex chooses buyers. But, people have to choose Omega. That's a part of the Omega allure for me.

Originally Posted by iwantagmt

One of the things I like about the PO, and Omegas in general, is that it is less known as thus owners are usually a bit more watch savvy and/or passionate. This is just in my own personal experience.

I work at Borders and I see lots of nice watches..last thursday I saw a YG Yachtmaster and an LV sub for example. Anyway, I love to compliment people with nice watches and establish a connection (i am in sales after all) via watch talk. In my experience the Omega owners are always more excited to talk and have more interesting stories about their purchases. Sunday I met a gentleman with a Beijing Olympic LE Speedmaster that he actually got in Beijing during the Olympics! he was very interested in my PO and asked me about the story behind it. All but a few of the Rolex owners I talk to look confused when I ask about their watch. Just an observation!

[iwantagmt]

Originally Posted by warrior

I have Rolex and Omega watches. This observation certainly doesn't surprise me. It kind of fits in to stereotypes. But, stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason ...or there wouldn't be stereotypes at all.

To a great extent amongst many folks ( maybe not so in this forum and not all), Rolex chooses buyers. But, people have to choose Omega. That's a part of the Omega allure for me.

You're right about this being the stereotype, but this is from my own relatively large sample of watch sighting and conversations.
I agree with your sentiments

[heresiarh]

I personally don't own any Omegas but in my opinion the only upgrade to Sub is the resale value, otherwise PO is one hell of a time piece.

[DSJ]

Fun discussion. Fr John said it best when looking at them objectively. I came to the same conclusion in 2000 when I bought a SMP over a Submariner. BUT, I never stopped wanting a Submariner and Rolex. IF I had bought the Submariner in 2000, I would likely own one nice watch today, not 3.

Subjectivity is hard to overcome.

[skip73]

I am SO going to get in trouble with you guys .... I had a change of mind and now a proud owner of a Sub LV!

The PO been a great watch but I was looking for something different and I think the Sub has satisfied that urge. I realise that the PO maybe technically better some cases but there are a few reasons why I like about the Sub, some are a little romantic, as well as being quite a bit lighter!

This definitely won't be my last watch and the next one could possibly be another Omega, who knows!

For those interested, keep an eye out in the FS section in the next few days...

[Stevieb]

Congrats on your new watch

Wear it in good health

[JBat]

My first mechanical was an SMP, which I still have. It's the same electric blue-dialed watch as on the first page of this thread. I love the watch, and in fact it's due for its first full service. I look forward to having it refreshed.

But since I've gotten my 16610 and GMTIIc, the watch just hasn't seen much wrist time. All these compelling posts touting Omega to the contrary, I just like the Rollies better. The Planet Ocean watches are pretty nice, but how is blazing orange not getting away from Omega's roots? Omega certainly didn't make watches like that back in the day; they made cleanly designed and simple watches, much like Rolex set the standard for.

Plus, the PO's following the disturbing trend of the ever-expanding watch, a trend that I don't like at all. They are just too damn big, imo. I like the Rolex 40mm case size (for sport watches) and always will. It just works.

I will own more Omegas at some point. As others have pointed out, they are a great value and very well-made watches. I want an Aqua Terra and probably another SMP. A Speedmaster is likely, as well.

That's my take on it. People love to rip Rolex, and talk about their crappy bracelets, outdated designs, blah, blah, blah. But, at the end of the day, they are what I love because I love the way they wear and look. It is hard to articulate exactly what I love about them beyond that. At the end of the day, I'll grab the Rollie most of the time.

[JBat]

Originally Posted by skip73

I am SO going to get in trouble with you guys .... I had a change of mind and now a proud owner of a Sub LV!

The PO been a great watch but I was looking for something different and I think the Sub has satisfied that urge. I realise that the PO maybe technically better some cases but there are a few reasons why I like about the Sub, some are a little romantic, as well as being quite a bit lighter!

This definitely won't be my last watch and the next one could possibly be another Omega, who knows!

For those interested, keep an eye out in the FS section in the next few days...

You're in a Rolex forum, no trouble here. Wear your Sub in good health. It's a great watch.

[skip73]

The before and after!

[The GMT Master]

No matter how many other people's opinions you read on this forum, when you're making a purchase, the only one that matters is your own. Wear the watch in the best of health, I hope you enjoy it

Cheers

Chris

[icnbne]

Originally Posted by skip73

The before and after!

gorgeous

[asadtiger]

congrats skip

[openwheelracing]

PO is better than the Sub..just my humble opinion.

[icnbne]

I'd just like to say, neither are 'upgrades', they are just alternatives.

[skip73]

I have returned the sub, back to being a PO owner!

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...28#post1394628

[Perdu]

I would see it as an upgrade because of the Cal.3135. If the PO had the new 8000 movement in it I may have a different answer. With either one you have a nice watch.

[Mike B]

Originally Posted by skip73

I have returned the sub, back to being a PO owner!

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...28#post1394628

I also read your post in the Rolex section as well. I think you did the right thing, but only YOU will know for sure. I think if I was you, I would've done the same thing These Planet Ocean watches are very beautiful, and can take a beating just as well as a Sub. (well, only time will tell if they can withstand a beating for as LONG as a sub can, but I definitely think they can/will). Plus, look at all the money you've saved
I've always wanted another Rolex in my collection as well (since I sold my SS Sub Date in 2002), but as of right now, I'm trying to get my life in order first, pay off some debt, then when it's all said and done, a nice GMTIIC Two Tone is in my future
I also have an Omega 2531.80 as well, and IMO, the dial is the most stunning I have ever experienced on a watch (especially the "waves" on the dial, and if you turn it a certain way in the light, it has lines going through vertically as well, VERY cool. All Omega watches are very hard to beat for craftsmanship, and durability.
Congrats again on keeping you PO, you will love it for many years to come

[WJGESQ]

Maybe this will help, tilt the scales in favor of Omega for you. It sure did for me. Not a PO, but you'll get the idea.

[skip73]

Originally Posted by WJGESQ

Maybe this will help, tilt the scales in favor of Omega for you. It sure did for me. Not a PO, but you'll get the idea.

I used to own that model prior to the PO .. awesome watch!

[Joey_V]

PO is a good watch, but the Sub is still the quintessential diver for me.

[mrmilo]

I personally would say No, the Submariner would not be an "upgrade" in my opinion. They are at least equals, I believe the PO is better, but then I have a PO... Just the bracelet and case back (among other things) do this in my opinion.

[toptime]

Sub is also my upgrade from PO.

[pz93c]

Originally Posted by skip73

Just an expensive side step.

Said it best yourself, chief.

Don't buy it because it's a better watch, buy it because you like the watch.

[blackmsport]

Bond only wears Omega and he can kill 20 people in one movie and he still looks clean and good

so PO must be good

LOL

[vman]

I do not consider a new Sub to be an upgrade to a new PO.

Honestly, I would not mind having a vintage Sub. I like the aspect of vintage watches with a scar or two and a story to tell. But if I wanted to get a watch that is 1-5 years new, I would definitely not consider a Sub. GMT IIc, JLC Master Compressor, Omega PO, perhaps even another Panerai but definitely not a Sub. My turn offs are:

- Everybody has one. Seriously, I fly for business almost every week and I see tons of Subs in the first class/1K/global services line. Most of the the folks who have them are do not strike as people who are passionate about watches and horology (a few Panerai owners I've met so far fit that bill as well); for them a Sub is a statement about the balance of the checking account.

- The bracelet is crap. Rolex has the baddest marketing department of all because they have guts to charge so much for a watch that comes on a flimsy bracelet. I compared a brand new Sub date to a heavily used Citizen Eco drive and honestly the bracelet on the Asian beauty was more sturdy. Basically, by supplying a world class watch with a crappy bracelet the company tells you "Look, we can put a piece of crap on a candy and you'll still eat it for a high price."

PO my friend is an under appreciated watch. You can get it for cheap, it will out live you and not too many people have them. At least here, in Silicon Valley, Sub rules.

[wdrazek]

Originally Posted by vman

I do not consider a new Sub to be an upgrade to a new PO.

My turn offs are:

- The bracelet is crap. Rolex has the baddest marketing department of all because they have guts to charge so much for a watch that comes on a flimsy bracelet. I compared a brand new Sub date to a heavily used Citizen Eco drive and honestly the bracelet on the Asian beauty was more sturdy. Basically, by supplying a world class watch with a crappy bracelet the company tells you "Look, we can put a piece of crap on a candy and you'll still eat it for a high price."

+1. It's my biggest issue with the Sub. The clasp is #2.

[DSJ]

The answer to the question is YES & NO.

[htc8p]

its the most classic of all watches. that being said that one rolex should be enough in a long while!

wait for the one with the adjustable clasp for dive suit.

dont let go of your PO and watch your collection grow

[TurboWatch]

I own both brands. Some days I wear this....other days I wear these.