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Old 21 November 2018, 12:58 PM   #1
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A friend has a 1973 Pepsi that has my interest.
The bezel is overpolished, the bracelet sags and the price is high but...
Would y’all experts take a look at this and tell me if anything else would be of concern?
I’m told all original.
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Old 21 November 2018, 02:57 PM   #2
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Mark 2 dial with nice patina. The case is over polished loosing some of its vintage characters. Insert is later blue back replacement. Bracelet appears to b original with decent stretch. Depends on the price, it’s a very wearable watch.


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Old 21 November 2018, 09:04 PM   #3
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I think that’s a pretty nice example in average condition. Check the jubilee clasp code to see if it was born with the watch head.

I’d be looking to pay average price that reflects completeness- accessories, service history etc.

... and a friends and family discount of 5-10% for a stress and hassle free deal.




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Old 21 November 2018, 11:54 PM   #4
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I thought the patina is pretty nice, forming a very attractive golden tone and still puffy.

The case although is polished, is still acceptable.

Depends on the price, this example is pretty decent overall.
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Old 22 November 2018, 05:00 AM   #5
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We are at $11.5. Seems high end of market at the moment.
Can’t belive how much prices have risen!
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Old 22 November 2018, 05:22 AM   #6
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Well, if you don't mind a little bit of a fixer-upper, it might be worth a shot at the right price, since the dial and hands are really nice. I would figure in the cost of a bracelet, a nice fat-font insert and also a bezel assembly, since the existing bezel is really unacceptable.
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Old 22 November 2018, 05:54 AM   #7
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Looks like the GMT arrow hand is the only one that truely matches the dial plots....
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Old 22 November 2018, 10:34 AM   #8
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Yes good point on the lume on the hands. They should age first right? The look like the right hands for the era but maybe replaced or relumed?
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Old 22 November 2018, 11:13 AM   #9
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Yes good point on the lume on the hands. They should age first right? The look like the right hands for the era but maybe replaced or relumed?
It hard to generalize about this, but it's obviously more attractive if the lume is consistent. And if they are very different, it can suggest that they did not originate together.

If they have a significantly different age, they will often respond differently to UV excitation. This is a more convincing test than just looking at the color by eye. Shine a blacklight on the dial and hands, then turn it off and observe. There may be no response at all (dead lume), or a brief transient response, but you are looking for reasonable consistency between the lume on the dial and all the hands.
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Old 22 November 2018, 11:25 AM   #10
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The issue of lume is such a mine field.

There’s a view that hands should be consistent but not an exact match to the dial markers.

Perfectly matching hands and dial suggest a modern relume.

Stabilized lume seems to be acceptable but you’d expect some visible corrosion on hands or dial.

For an average condition, attractive example, I wouldn’t get too hung up on originality of the lume. Shouldn’t be a deal breaker if you like the look and feel...




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Old 22 November 2018, 11:51 AM   #11
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The issue is one hand looks like a perfect match and 3 hands do not....
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Old 22 November 2018, 12:32 PM   #12
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The issue is one hand looks like a perfect match and 3 hands do not....

What do you read into that?

Does it put you off?




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Old 22 November 2018, 04:33 PM   #13
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The issue is one hand looks like a perfect match and 3 hands do not....


Could b from different batch of production?

To OP. The whole watch looks very nice n presentable. A good condition 1675 with period correct FF insert without papers r selling around 15k currently. Unless u want to put exotic or the popular fuchsia insert, a FF would set u back around 1.5k, so do the calculation. If u want to refinished the case, which is subjective, send it to LAWW for another $500.


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Old 23 November 2018, 12:42 AM   #14
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So if I read you right, is the fat font insert the “correct one” for this era? Or just a more desirable one?
And would the case refinish from LAWW (I need to find out who they are but I’m sure a search if this forum will take care of that ) include a change out of the bezel assembly?
That overpolishing really does bother me.
It sounds like this piece is a reasonable value and with about 2k worth of attention it could be quite nice.
Yes?
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Old 23 November 2018, 12:53 AM   #15
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So if I read you right, is the fat font insert the “correct one” for this era? Or just a more desirable one?
And would the case refinish from LAWW (I need to find out who they are but I’m sure a search if this forum will take care of that ) include a change out of the bezel assembly?
That overpolishing really does bother me.
It sounds like this piece is a reasonable value and with about 2k worth of attention it could be quite nice.
Yes?
I think you're slightly overstating how good a deal it is. As I mentioned above, the bezel assembly needs to be entirely replaced (not sure of price), you need a period correct insert (which is probably something like $2k and your time and effort to research and sort it out), and a bracelet ($1k). And then you will have a decent piece, but the lume on the hands and dial are mis-matched (which is not aesthetically ideal whether or not it is original) and the case is polished. And of course, it would be a fixed-up watch - not original.

So it's not a bargain, since you can probably get an original watch with a decent bracelet and case without these flaws for the same as you would pay to fix this one up. And that would involve a lot less trouble and risk. Personally, I wouldn't buy a project like this unless it was a real bargain - I've made that mistake in the past, but I wouldn't do it again. And if your friend tries to sell it on the open market, I'm not sure he would get his asking price.

Not trying to be critical here, but I just wanted to insert a note of realism, and suggest that a lower price would be more appropriate, given the condition of the piece. I'm sure that many of us have gone into a black hole with project pieces before; my feeling these days is that I'd want to be saving at least $1k-$2k to really make it worth my while. Otherwise, I'd just rather buy a nice original watch.
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Old 23 November 2018, 01:09 AM   #16
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Bezel insert - red or blue?

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Insert is later blue back replacement.
Sam, I'm curious, how can you tell that the OP's bezel insert has a blue back? I'm asking because I noticed that it looked a lot like my bezel insert (below), so I just popped mine off and took a pic of the back, which appears to be red (you can see the red rim in the top pic). But I'm not a very good visual person, so I may be missing some obvious difference between the OP's bezel insert and mine. Thanks.
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Old 23 November 2018, 01:15 AM   #17
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I was also told original bezel insert. Would be good to know how to tell the difference.
I’ve pretty well decided to pass on this life and use the process and this conversation as a learning experience.


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Old 23 November 2018, 04:20 AM   #18
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Good morning n happy turkey day everyone. Lol.

It is an original Rolex insert but not period correct for the watch. Of course the only way to tell for sure is to see the back. From my seeing many of the older inserts, usually the secondary color fade faster. Red back inserts usually had the blue faded to almost nothing, n vise versa. The insert on watch has the blue still retaining the original color n sheen, but the red is starting to turn pinkish. It’s just my speculation but regardless it would look more appropriate with the right insert, but not necessarily better looking.


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Old 23 November 2018, 04:38 AM   #19
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I was also told original bezel insert. Would be good to know how to tell the difference.
I’ve pretty well decided to pass on this life and use the process and this conversation as a learning experience.


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The watch u r considering has some minor issues, but I can’t get passed that gorgeous dial with such a nice patina. If you can just for a moment ignore all those imperfections n look at the watch as it is, it’s a very handsome watch that’s extremely wearable. For Rolex vintage in general, the dial is usually half the value of the watch. IMO u would be hard pressed to find a better looking dial than that.

If you can get the seller to lower the price, I think u still come up on top even after taking into account the cost of getting it corrected. Good luck.

Btw, the bracelet is the least of ur concern. Just send it to MY in HK, n u have a tight bracelet that will last u many years of service.


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Old 23 November 2018, 04:43 AM   #20
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Old 23 November 2018, 04:59 AM   #21
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Sam- just checked w seller and sure enough it’s a blue back insert! So not original w watch and not time period correct.
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Old 23 November 2018, 08:12 AM   #22
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Is that bezel assembly replaceable with something period correct?


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Old 23 November 2018, 09:03 AM   #23
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The seller seems to be implying that this is an authentic Rolex service part, but you'd want to double-check. If you want a bezel taken off of an actual 1675, instead of a service part, the hunting will be harder, and I'm not sure it's necessary.

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Old 24 November 2018, 08:58 PM   #24
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Sam- just checked w seller and sure enough it’s a blue back insert! So not original w watch and not time period correct.
Thx!
I thought 1970s is in the blue back period ... am I wrong?
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Old 24 November 2018, 10:32 PM   #25
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Was this not for sale on here recently and the original seller declared a dial relume?
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Was this not for sale on here recently and the original seller declared a dial relume?
Yeap!

I love the reading though..
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Old 25 November 2018, 12:55 AM   #27
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I’d dial was relumed the hands were probably color matched and everything probably glows....huge deal breaker if that’s the case
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Old 25 November 2018, 01:04 AM   #28
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Thx guys. I will browse through old ads and see if I can find it. If you know how to post a link pls do. That would be really frustrating as I do trust this person but best to know I suppose.


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Old 25 November 2018, 01:12 AM   #29
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Dial is relumed as shown in the pictures..
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Old 25 November 2018, 01:16 AM   #30
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Ok. Went back through my notes from seller and the very first thing he told me was “dial might have been relumed. Previous seller didn’t know”.

So- what do I look for to determine if it was relumed? Is it as simple as checking to see if the lume still glows?


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