1969 Rolex Submariner 1680 Red 'Tiffany & CO.'

[Kingface66]

Originally Posted by daydatepiepan

Not sure what you’re laughing at.

[Kingface66]

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[alwayshere]

Originally Posted by tavv160

Classy reply to people giving you free and voluntary advice...

Most Aussies (generally and on this board) are really nice and well mannered - i'll apologises on behalf as he is absolutely classless.

In one of his other threads where I called him out on a fake ebay listing (he claimed he was "testing the waters" but regardless against T&Cs), he PM'ed me this nasty message.

I would suggest just ignoring him going forward, its clear our advice goes unappreciated anyway.

[Kingface66]

Originally Posted by alwayshere

Most Aussies (generally and on this board) are really nice and well mannered - i'll apologises on behalf as he is absolutely classless.

In one of his other threads where I called him out on a fake ebay listing (he claimed he was "testing the waters" but regardless against T&Cs), he PM'ed me this nasty message.

I would suggest just ignoring him going forward, its clear our advice goes unappreciated anyway.

Wow, he truly has a way with words. Love that he called YOU a troll.

[116710er]

Originally Posted by daydatepiepan

So, this is the sum of all of you knowledge and supposed experience?

Just buy it mate, you deserve it!

[Xantiagib]

how many times do we have to say its a redial (fake at worst) with dubious tiffany additon later on - if that doesnt say walk away what does?

[daydatepiepan]

I ended up buying this for $8000 AUD, so around 5800 USD.

Thanks for the positive advice in this thread, I really do appreciate it.

My jeweller (who is ex Rolex and still has access via other watch makers to many vintage parts) has already source a replacement dial, hand set and bezel insert from the mid 70's (when this piece was last servived - 06/74). I am not aiming for a red dial here, just a 1969 Sub I can wear daily. I feel like I have done very well here. In total I should have this piece completed for around 9000 USD.

I will upload some photos when its done.

[daydatepiepan]

Originally Posted by daydatepiepan

So, this is the sum of all of you knowledge and supposed experience?

Btw, this statement was directed soley at the person who wrote "Dude let it goooooooooo". It was NOT directed any any other contributors to this thread. Go back to see my comments and the replies in context to see what I mean.

[Rolexwatch12]

This is actually a fake watch, Let it go

[daydatepiepan]

Two ex Rolex service agents have had it in hand and say differently...

[daydatepiepan]

Originally Posted by Rolexwatch12

This is actually a fake watch, Let it go

Dropping a statement like this without any validation once again?

[scooba]

Originally Posted by daydatepiepan

Dropping a statement like this without any validation once again?

If JP aka Springer and MM say its wrong trust me its wrong you are only kidding yourself if you think otherwise .

JP and MM are experts you asked the opinion

[daydatepiepan]

Ok, fair enough I do appreciate it. But just saying 'its wrong' is all I have been getting. I am cusrious as to what they are referring to? I am still in a position to easily return this piece.

[daydatepiepan]

I'd like to learn you know. Is it the case, the bezel, the crown? What are the tells here?

My jeweller stated the watch was only serviced by Rolex, in 1974, 1996 and 2002, just the three times. The movement is clean and he said only requires a light service.

It appears to me whoever owned this piece in recent years was just a total hack and three dials, handsets and all sorts at this watch.

The bezel insert is odd. I am calling fake on that, but others are saying its a rolex service part that was artificially aged.

[daydatepiepan]

The crown and bezel were replaced in 2002 I believe. My jeweller actually knows the Rolex service agent who performed the work.

[daydatepiepan]

The movement.

[roh123]

Let’s see the engravings between the lugs. Then we can determine if the case is at least authentic. It is still very worn and poorly polished. The dial and hands are fake as mentioned in at least two threads now.

I’ll echo what I said a long time ago. Nothing have changed.

Originally Posted by roh123

Doesn’t make any sense at all buying that. First it was described as authentic and later sold cheap as is? Would never consider doing business with such a seller.

Looking at the rest the insert might be a chemically faded service insert at best. Bezel itself look like a new replacement. Case is very tired and the bracelet is a much later solid one. We don’t even know if the case and movement is authentic. Even if they are this is not even close to a good start.

Why would you want this? As a project? As parts?

[daydatepiepan]

Originally Posted by roh123

Let’s see the engravings between the lugs. Then we can determine if the case is at least authentic. It is still very worn and poorly polished. The dial and hands are fake as mentioned in at least two threads now.

I’ll echo what I said a long time ago. Nothing have changed.

As requested, I appreciate the help.

[roh123]

You can compare it with this one.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=378400

[daydatepiepan]

Here are some clearer photos.

[mattedialdoc]

Originally Posted by daydatepiepan

Btw, this statement was directed soley at the person who wrote "Dude let it goooooooooo". It was NOT directed any any other contributors to this thread. Go back to see my comments and the replies in context to see what I mean.

So that was me, and we are only trying to HELP YOU. Guys much more knowledgeable than I have spoken here. In this market if the deal is too good to be true, there is a problem. Be safe out there.


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[daydatepiepan]

OK, but I am merely asking you to state what it is you are seeing. Its not too many things to list I presume, so cant you just lay them out here in a list so I know?

[roh123]

Originally Posted by daydatepiepan

OK, but I am merely asking you to state what it is you are seeing. Its not too many things to list I presume, so cant you just lay them out here in a list so I know?

Fake dial, fake hands, bleeched service insert, soft case and a later bracelet.

[daydatepiepan]

Is that enough to write a 1680 off for $5800 USD?

[J!m]

If you look at it objectively- as a collection of parts, you got a reasonable deal on a case, Case back, bezel ring, crystal retainer, crown, tube, bracelet and movement. I don’t remember if the date ring is original or service but I’m assuming the latter.

As soft as the case is, it can be restored, although many collectors frown upon that. On the other hand, a complete classic car with a crunched quarter is acceptable to get metal welded in and paint done...

In summary, the “heavy iron” is not fake (even if not era correct) but it would take a significant investment to properly restore this watch to “catalogue correct”. Most collectors move on to buy a more complete, sharper cases example for a larger investment , which can be a smaller one in the long run in many cases.

Buy it and wear it. It’s just a watch.

[daydatepiepan]

Hi Jim, thanks for the comments. The date wheel is white, so that is a later service replacement?

[fusionstorm]

^^^ Yes, correct date wheel is silver with open 6's.

[Tom1675]

Originally Posted by daydatepiepan

So, this is the sum of all of you knowledge and supposed experience?

The collective response tore down every component of this watch visible from the pics you provided and someone even commented on the seller, Not one person commended anything other than a pass. You ask for advice and then jab something condescending?

I think I speak for everyone here when I say "you're welcome"

[J!m]

Originally Posted by fusionstorm

^^^ Yes, correct date wheel is silver with open 6's.

What he said. Silver with open sixes and nines. Not sure if the six in 26 was closed or open... I think open in ‘69 but soon after closed with other sixes and nines remaining open. Perhaps already closed in ‘69...

But no matter since it’s a wearing piece.

[Chai]

100 % fake watch