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Old 30 November 2016, 02:34 PM   #1
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Icon20 1088 replaces 88

OP keeps turning them out.

This time, though, the 1xxx update does not mean a move to in-house.

Instead, the 1088 gets:

* 8 more hours of power reserve (from 42 to 50) (nice!);
* 4 more jewels (from 21 to 25) (nice!);
* traditional screws (or spring bars? not sure) instead of quick change buttons (boo!);
* grey minute markers instead of white (a detail that helps the classic PAM 5-minute markers stand out better) (nice!);
* the Asso strap instead of alligator (personal preference, but definitely a cost saving move... I prefer the gator);
* tang instead of déployant (ok for Asso, but a cost move; personally prefer OEM gator with OEM deployant over OEM Asso with OEM tang).

Inverted cyclops and regular lume remain (nice!).

No word yet if the case is thinner or if the price changes.

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Old 1 December 2016, 12:37 AM   #2
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Great twins thanks for sharing Cru
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Old 1 December 2016, 12:45 AM   #3
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Honestly, really hard to get excited about anything Panerai is doing these days.
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Old 1 December 2016, 12:57 AM   #4
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Looks good


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Old 1 December 2016, 01:04 AM   #5
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Not seen either one of those before, might have a look next time in OP.

Thanks for sharing
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Old 1 December 2016, 02:11 AM   #6
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Not seen either one of those before, might have a look next time in OP.

Thanks for sharing




I've always had a soft spot in my heart for the 88, as it was the first PAM that I saw that I REALLY liked way back in 2010. I then shifted to the 312 before going with my 164.
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Old 1 December 2016, 04:03 AM   #7
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original=meh
reboot=also meh

at least it has a distinct look for a Panerai

Thanks for the info.
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Old 1 December 2016, 05:16 AM   #8
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Not sure it sounds better / unless it is thinner
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Old 1 December 2016, 07:31 AM   #9
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going back to lug screw would be an upgrade for me :)
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Old 3 December 2016, 06:29 PM   #10
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Bring back/update the 89 (Titanium w/anthracite dial version of the 88) and I'd be interested. Otherwise, it's not enough of an improvement to get too excited about.
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Old 4 December 2016, 09:05 PM   #11
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Old 4 September 2018, 09:06 AM   #12
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How are the 1088s faring resell wise?
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Old 4 September 2018, 10:37 AM   #13
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Old 6 September 2018, 09:56 PM   #14
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Thae 88 is something that I’ve been looking for while.
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Old 7 September 2018, 09:40 AM   #15
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Are they in house movements?
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Are they in house movements?
No, these are not in-house.
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No, these are not in-house.


OH. Well, that's a bummer. I thought the whole idea of the WIS thing was largely based on the prestige of in house movements.


Is there any real point in paying 4-8k or even more for ETA based watches?
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OH. Well, that's a bummer. I thought the whole idea of the WIS thing was largely based on the prestige of in house movements.


Is there any real point in paying 4-8k or even more for ETA based watches?
Yeah I was surprised with the change of model number they didn’t go in house because they have updated almost all their old line with new in house movements to replace the ETA ones. This one is strange to me.
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OH. Well, that's a bummer. I thought the whole idea of the WIS thing was largely based on the prestige of in house movements.


Is there any real point in paying 4-8k or even more for ETA based watches?

I think the “WIS” thing just refers to a love of watches.

As for “in-house”, it isn’t “better” in terms of performance and is worse in terms of cost of service and service time. And historically, Panerai has always used third party movements, so ETA is more authentic. It’s just that Swatch decided to stop selling their movements, so Richemont had to develop a range of movements.
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Old 9 September 2018, 11:54 AM   #20
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I see no point in paying Ferrari price for a Chevy V8.

Either you have bragging rights or you don't and paying serious cash for a movement that you can get in an Oris or Ball or whatever--just doesn't appear to me personally.
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I see no point in paying Ferrari price for a Chevy V8.

Either you have bragging rights or you don't and paying serious cash for a movement that you can get in an Oris or Ball or whatever--just doesn't appear to me personally.


Unless you are going haute horlogerie, just because a movement is “in-house” doesn’t make it a “Ferrari”.

Well, I suppose the marketing and AD salespeople might want customers to think otherwise. ;-)

In the end, I wear watches for myself and not to “brag”, so what matters to me is performance and reliability, and any top-level ETA will be as good as any regular Panerai “in-house” movement (I put that last word in quotes, because in reality, Panerai movements are just modified Richemont corporate movements).
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Unless you are going haute horlogerie, just because a movement is “in-house” doesn’t make it a “Ferrari”.

Well, I suppose the marketing and AD salespeople might want customers to think otherwise. ;-)

In the end, I wear watches for myself and not to “brag”, so what matters to me is performance and reliability, and any top-level ETA will be as good as any regular Panerai “in-house” movement (I put that last word in quotes, because in reality, Panerai movements are just modified Richemont corporate movements).
Don't recall ever actually bragging about a watch, but I like to think, if I'm paying 4-10k for a watch, there is something "special" about it. Would not please me to know that the "engine" of me watch was pumped out by swatch.

Just as there is nothing wrong with a Chevy V8--there isn't anything particularly special about it either.
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Unless you are going haute horlogerie, just because a movement is “in-house” doesn’t make it a “Ferrari”.

Well, I suppose the marketing and AD salespeople might want customers to think otherwise. ;-)

In the end, I wear watches for myself and not to “brag”, so what matters to me is performance and reliability, and any top-level ETA will be as good as any regular Panerai “in-house” movement (I put that last word in quotes, because in reality, Panerai movements are just modified Richemont corporate movements).
Amen to this . Panerai's movement is nothing special. Neither finishing nor function is that great . My P3000 is running 12 seconds slow daily after just bought brand new for one year, and another with P5000 is with Richemont for repair after only 2 years .

Wish they kept on using 6497s. Sometimes I feel like selling my new Pams and just go with a classic like a 005.
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Im happy with mine. Working like a champ for 13 yrs. I did have to get it overhauled 3 yrs after buying it, but then i put it through the ringer during that time. i think i serviced it one more time in 2012, but since.. keeping time nicely.
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Nice write up Cru. I haven't seen both side by side so I wasn't aware of the difference. It seems like Panerai is getting away from deployant clasps on their pieces and moving towards everything coming on a pin buckle. They also have made many of the stock OEM straps that come with their pieces calf rather than gator.
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Old 12 September 2018, 12:42 PM   #26
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Sold my 88 back in '06; glad I did and have never looked back. I'm not surprised to see Panerai is still using Swatch movements. Ridiculous for the price.
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OH. Well, that's a bummer. I thought the whole idea of the WIS thing was largely based on the prestige of in house movements.


Is there any real point in paying 4-8k or even more for ETA based watches?
I don't know a lot about Panerai, but I've heard and read about Service issues with Panerai. Some people are happier with an ETA movement because they are so much easier to get serviced. I've heard parts are difficult to get (time wise) for in house movements. Also, not everyone will/can work on In house movements. Having said that, I have an in house movement. And having said that, I'm sorta dreading when service time comes.
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