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Old 19 February 2019, 03:34 AM   #1
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Inside job robbery in London

Came across this article today, quite frightening:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crim...-a4069501.html

Article indicates clear markers of an inside job (robber knowing where they would be, and potentially knowing immediately where the highest value target was), which makes it worse in my opinion - it's much more difficult to protect against. Even an industrial grade safe would not have prevented this.

Stay safe everyone - with the mania surrounding the watch market nowadays i fear incidents like this will become common.
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Old 19 February 2019, 03:41 AM   #2
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Article mentions similar incidents in the same area. I wonder if they all use the same insurance or alarm company
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Old 19 February 2019, 03:42 AM   #3
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It’s terrible to see this. I hope they will find them.
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Old 19 February 2019, 03:43 AM   #4
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terrible hurts to watch this!
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Old 19 February 2019, 04:25 AM   #5
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That seemed to be filmed on a phone camera. Do you think it was a neighbor?
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Old 19 February 2019, 04:33 AM   #6
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That seemed to be filmed on a phone camera. Do you think it was a neighbor?
The crime was caught on surveillance camera, but the posted video was a video of the video.
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Old 19 February 2019, 06:50 AM   #7
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If only this victim had the ability to defend himself.
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Old 19 February 2019, 06:57 AM   #8
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If only this victim was allowed the tools to defend himself.


It could have gone a lot worse. Just having the tools, even with sufficient training and assuming they are on ones person is not a guarantee. Plus it causes escalated violence from the aggressive party.
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Old 19 February 2019, 08:00 AM   #9
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"Plus it causes escalated violence from the aggressive party."

Without running afoul of TRF standards and turning this into a political issue the article mentions that there have been similar incidents in this same area. Capitulation is not the answer to aggression. All capitulation gets you is the breeding of more violent and "Aggressive" attacks against you or other innocent people. Hope and Unicorns don't work when facing a violent "aggressive party".

You Sir a man who quotes the great Winston S. Churchill should know to never surrender.

ps. I will concede to you that not knowing all the facts other than what we see in the video in this case as in a small minority of cases some times discretion is the better part of valor.
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Old 19 February 2019, 08:04 AM   #10
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If only this victim had the ability to defend himself.
Agreed.

Awful thing to be terrorized in your own home.
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Old 19 February 2019, 09:15 AM   #11
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Sadly, I know this couple personally. Terrible, just terrible.
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Old 21 February 2019, 03:16 AM   #12
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I have always thought that a lot of robberies in the London area are related to the use of casual labour, cash in hand types, the cheapest quote, employed for doing odd jobs.
Such as roof repairs, house painting, fence mending, lawn mowing and domestic cleaning etc.
Whilst, touch wood, I have been free of break in’s, my next door neighbour has been broken into three times, whilst the family have been in bed over a year or two.
Have always thought, due to the shady types the family have employed with unmarked battered transport etc.
These people are professionals with much skill not your local hoody druggy after some quick cash.
I am not saying this this is due to high influx of Eastern European emigrants.
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Old 21 February 2019, 03:31 AM   #13
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I have always thought that a lot of robberies in the London area are related to the use of casual labour, cash in hand types, the cheapest quote, employed for doing odd jobs.
Such as roof repairs, house painting, fence mending, lawn mowing and domestic cleaning etc.
Whilst, touch wood, I have been free of break in’s, my next door neighbour has been broken into three times, whilst the family have been in bed over a year or two.
Have always thought, due to the shady types the family have employed with unmarked battered transport etc.
These people are professionals with much skill not your local hoody druggy after some quick cash.
I am not saying this this is due to high influx of Eastern European emigrants.

I strongly suspect there is truth to this.

I'm having work done at the moment. The company is known for doing high-ish end work and has a solid reputation. However, due to both me and the missus working long hours, we have to hand them the keys to the house and they have the run of the property. We've hidden away our valuables and not given the alarm code, but there is still a risk attatched, however slight, that we get marked as being targets worth robbing.

Then again, the work needs doing and there's only so much you can do to mitigate risk. beyond that, there's no value in worrying about stuff over which you have no control.
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Old 22 February 2019, 07:06 AM   #14
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If only this victim had the ability to defend himself.
Works great in the USA, doesn't it? It's not as if you have huge numbers of deaths due to "the ability to defend yourselves".
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Old 25 February 2019, 11:33 PM   #15
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Works great in the USA, doesn't it? It's not as if you have huge numbers of deaths due to "the ability to defend yourselves".
It does work great in the USA. Is all perfect here? No, not at all but not as bad as most places. You pull a gun on someone in the USA and you are taking your chances with much lower odds than in most countries.
It is easy to find faults with any "place" but I would not trade my rights to possess the tools to defend myself and my family for any other "place" on any other continent.
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Old 26 February 2019, 12:28 AM   #16
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Came across this article today, quite frightening:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crim...-a4069501.html

Article indicates clear markers of an inside job (robber knowing where they would be, and potentially knowing immediately where the highest value target was), which makes it worse in my opinion - it's much more difficult to protect against. Even an industrial grade safe would not have prevented this.

Stay safe everyone - with the mania surrounding the watch market nowadays i fear incidents like this will become common.
I beg to disagree
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Old 26 February 2019, 12:56 AM   #17
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When i bought my watch, the dealer would only meet me at a well known coffee shop,
i was a bit reluctant with the lack of any address or premises to contact regarding this dealer, it turns out he was totally genuine, he told me that the golden rule is to never tell anybody where you live, i still dont know, but i know that he was decent and the watch was genuine and all legal. I just have his email and mobile for any warranty issues.

Inside jobs are terrifying when you think about it, i mean how safe are people when they withdraw large sums from the bank, it only takes one person in the bank to advertise the fact to someone else.
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Old 26 February 2019, 10:14 AM   #18
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I have close friends who live in Totteridge and they are doing very well at the moment but don't have much in the way of jewellery, even though I was going to help them by a Patek last year, but they just don't have the time really, thank God.
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I strongly suspect there is truth to this.

I'm having work done at the moment. The company is known for doing high-ish end work and has a solid reputation. However, due to both me and the missus working long hours, we have to hand them the keys to the house and they have the run of the property. We've hidden away our valuables and not given the alarm code, but there is still a risk attatched, however slight, that we get marked as being targets worth robbing.

Then again, the work needs doing and there's only so much you can do to mitigate risk. beyond that, there's no value in worrying about stuff over which you have no control.
This is the best way, pack away all your nice things, wear your crappy, holey clothes often and talk about being in debt whenever you can or even having to sell the house.
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Old 27 February 2019, 05:52 AM   #20
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Works great in the USA, doesn't it? It's not as if you have huge numbers of deaths due to "the ability to defend yourselves".
Actually according to our FBI crime statistics.

when crime victims in possession of banned (here) items who display and or present banned items in a crime attempt.

%83 of the time the assault stops instantly and the criminal breaks off the assault and escapes.

Nobody really wants to be injured or killed and for the criminal there are always softer easier targets elsewhere.

While that works in America. Every country has its own personality so that may not work elsewhere and vice versa.

What I am curious about is the house doors saw in France several years ago were like bank vaults.

Amazingly strong. Steel core with bolts on the side, top and bottom. No way to kick that door in. Tried to have some shipped to the U.S. Don't they have those doors in England?
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It could have gone a lot worse. Just having the tools, even with sufficient training and assuming they are on ones person is not a guarantee. Plus it causes escalated violence from the aggressive party.
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Old 27 February 2019, 06:18 AM   #22
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Actually according to our FBI crime statistics.

when crime victims in possession of banned (here) items who display and or present banned items in a crime attempt.

%83 of the time the assault stops instantly and the criminal breaks off the assault and escapes.

Nobody really wants to be injured or killed and for the criminal there are always softer easier targets elsewhere.

While that works in America. Every country has its own personality so that may not work elsewhere and vice versa.

What I am curious about is the house doors saw in France several years ago were like bank vaults.

Amazingly strong. Steel core with bolts on the side, top and bottom. No way to kick that door in. Tried to have some shipped to the U.S. Don't they have those doors in England?

Your house is only as secure as the weakest entry point and that’s rarely the front door. I don’t have figures but I suspect only a minority of burglaries occur because the front door gets smashed it. To answer the question, most front doors here are wood or uPVC with deadbolts and/or multi-point locking.

My in-laws decided to get metal bars installed inside every entry point to the house (including windows on all floors). They still nearly got burgled by scammers pretending to offer a quote for tree surgery - scammer distracts householder at the front, then gets escorted round the back to “assess the trees” whilst his unseen mates try to get in the house via a side entrance.

Determined thieves will get you one way or another, at least round this way. They’ll scope you and burgle you when you’re on holiday or at work. Or they’ll gain entry like the case atop this thread by menacing the occupants. Fortunately burglaries perpetrated by such determined thieves, as opposed to lazy opportunists, are relatively rare.
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