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theflywrist · 6 July 2016, 04:27 AM

Hey guys.

Hope you are all well.
So to my surprise, I understand that this is more common than I thought.
First time I witness it myself however.
For some reason, the retention ring/bezel ring and insert on my sub are stuck and come off together when i pop off the bezel.

I'm curious what causes this to happen, and what is the safest way to fix it.
I am obviously going to wear as is until I see a watchmaker in 2 weeks time.
Because I don't intend to change the insert, it doesn't exactly bother me.
I would however like to get it right, hopefully without damaging the insert.
It appears that there is some space to allow the watchmaker to pop off the insert first.

Curious if this has happened to anyone else and if it is generally not a very difficult fix.
Also on how best to avoid this to happen! 😬

Thanks in advance for any help guys!
Will post some pictures.

Adel

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jedly1 · 6 July 2016, 04:32 AM

this will help

http://www.network54.com/Forum/20759...+-+need+advise

watchgroupcorp · 6 July 2016, 04:46 AM

First, try cleaning them by putting them in an ultrasonic. Get rid of whatever external materials (skin cheese, etc.) that could be causing the issue.

Then try cleaning inside of bezel or outside of retention ring with scotch brite by chucking the part on a lathe.

Rolex 1006 tool is great if you have access to one.

And don't spill sugary drinks on the bezel again #sticky

JustinK · 6 July 2016, 05:01 AM

This happened to me with one of my GMT's. My understanding of the issue is if the bezel fits the retaining ring tighter than the retaining ring fits the case the ring can come off with the bezel. Its possible your retaining ring was not properly installed and all is fine.

My issue was resolved as my watchmaker has the bezel tool and adjusted them for a better fit.

Good luck!

jban5 · 6 July 2016, 05:34 AM

"I am obviously going to wear as is until I see a watchmaker in 2 weeks time.
Because I don't intend to change the insert, it doesn't exactly bother me.
I would however like to get it right"

What do you mean when you say "as is?" Are you going to wear the watch without the bezel and retention ring or are you going to push the bezel on all together?

theflywrist · 6 July 2016, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jedly1

this will help

http://www.network54.com/Forum/20759...+-+need+advise

Thanks for the link! Definitely helpful.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustinK

This happened to me with one of my GMT's. My understanding of the issue is if the bezel fits the retaining ring tighter than the retaining ring fits the case the ring can come off with the bezel. Its possible your retaining ring was not properly installed and all is fine.

My issue was resolved as my watchmaker has the bezel tool and adjusted them for a better fit.

Good luck!

Sounds great buddy. Will keep you guys posted on how the watchmaker fixes this. The gap on the insert should allow him to first easily remove the insert as it is the most delicate, and from there let's see how he solves the problem. Eager to see myself.

theflywrist · 6 July 2016, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jban5

"I am obviously going to wear as is until I see a watchmaker in 2 weeks time.
Because I don't intend to change the insert, it doesn't exactly bother me.
I would however like to get it right"

What do you mean when you say "as is?" Are you going to wear the watch without the bezel and retention ring or are you going to push the bezel on all together?

Haha just going to push in everything together. It doesn't come off too easy anyway, so wearing it that way shouldn't be a problem.
I still do want to get the issue fixed as I don't like to keep them stuck together.
Hopefully there won't be damage when trying to get it sorted.

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theflywrist · 6 July 2016, 06:11 PM

Quick update guys.
Friend of mine was able to separate them all.
I tried to mount back the retention ring into the watch along with the bezel ring (without the insert), and as soon as I try to remove the bezel ring, the retention ring comes off together.

Problem appears to be the retention ring. Too loose.
:D
Least we have identified the problem, and I guess a need retention ring is needed.

watchgroupcorp · 7 July 2016, 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theflywrist

Quick update guys.
Friend of mine was able to separate them all.
I tried to mount back the retention ring into the watch along with the bezel ring (without the insert), and as soon as I try to remove the bezel ring, the retention ring comes off together.

Problem appears to be the retention ring. Too loose.
:D
Least we have identified the problem, and I guess a need retention ring is needed.

You just have to separate them if you need them separated. This means that they are snugly pressed together and should work well and should not pop off. To separate them, we slip a tool in between the steel spring and the bezel and turn it to pry them apart... this is when they are so tight that you can't do it with your fingers. Be careful not to bend the bezel or retention ring when prying them apart. The spring is pretty difficult to damage and can easily be re-bent or re-formed.

Vincent65 · 7 July 2016, 03:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theflywrist

Also on how best to avoid this to happen! 😬

Fairly easy fix - it's not necessarily the retention ring, although that's very possible, of course.

It could be that a new crystal would fix it with a tighter push-fit of the ring over the wall of the new acrylic/plexi. Never hurts to put a new one on anyway.

Best way to avoid it is to minimise (i.e. don't do it) multiple bezel pops for regular insert changes

jmsjabb · 7 July 2016, 03:09 AM

Curious, what would you put in an ultrasonic bath other than warm water to clean and how long would you leave it in?

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harry in montreal · 7 July 2016, 03:11 AM

That Tudor has an exceptional dial! The inserts are worth a ton these days. Best to really be careful not to lose it. Harry

watchgroupcorp · 7 July 2016, 03:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmsjabb

Curious, what would you put in an ultrasonic bath other than warm water to clean and how long would you leave it in?

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If the bezel insert was included, we would use standard Dawn dishwashing detergent at 40 degress Celsius for probably 10 minutes. If it needed longer, we would start it over.

If the bezel insert was not included, we would use an ammonia based cleaning solution at 40 degrees Celsius for 10 minutes or so.

jban5 · 7 July 2016, 03:23 AM

The reason I asked the question that I did is that I had a situation with my GMT which the 2nd owner had the crystal replaced, with an after market one which became apparent when I noticed the cyclops off by a degree or so. When we removed the bezel it came apart in the same way yours did and it didn't take much at all to remove the crystal.

Replaced with an authentic Rolex crystal and the retention ring was appropriately tighter and stays in place.

This is my one and only experience with this happening so I can't make anything more than this simple observation.

Noticing that you have a dome crystal, sans cyclops, and wonder if this has something to do with it?

6 July 2016, 04:27 AM	#1
theflywrist "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Stratosphere Posts: 1,990	Retention ring, bezel ring, and insert all stuck together... Hey guys. Hope you are all well. So to my surprise, I understand that this is more common than I thought. First time I witness it myself however. For some reason, the retention ring/bezel ring and insert on my sub are stuck and come off together when i pop off the bezel. I'm curious what causes this to happen, and what is the safest way to fix it. I am obviously going to wear as is until I see a watchmaker in 2 weeks time. Because I don't intend to change the insert, it doesn't exactly bother me. I would however like to get it right, hopefully without damaging the insert. It appears that there is some space to allow the watchmaker to pop off the insert first. Curious if this has happened to anyone else and if it is generally not a very difficult fix. Also on how best to avoid this to happen! 😬 Thanks in advance for any help guys! Will post some pictures. Adel Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

6 July 2016, 04:32 AM	#2
jedly1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: mel(oz)/Yorks(uk) Posts: 1,917	this will help http://www.network54.com/Forum/20759...+-+need+advise

6 July 2016, 04:46 AM	#3
watchgroupcorp Banned Join Date: Jun 2016 Real Name: Tim Strong Location: Thornton, CO USA Watch: Rolex 1665 DRSD Posts: 102	First, try cleaning them by putting them in an ultrasonic. Get rid of whatever external materials (skin cheese, etc.) that could be causing the issue. Then try cleaning inside of bezel or outside of retention ring with scotch brite by chucking the part on a lathe. Rolex 1006 tool is great if you have access to one. And don't spill sugary drinks on the bezel again #sticky

6 July 2016, 05:01 AM	#4
JustinK 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Real Name: Justin Location: Jupiter, FL Watch: 1530,1665,1680 Posts: 2,054	This happened to me with one of my GMT's. My understanding of the issue is if the bezel fits the retaining ring tighter than the retaining ring fits the case the ring can come off with the bezel. Its possible your retaining ring was not properly installed and all is fine. My issue was resolved as my watchmaker has the bezel tool and adjusted them for a better fit. Good luck!

6 July 2016, 05:34 AM	#5
jban5 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: USA Watch: 5513~1675x2~1680~ Posts: 523	"I am obviously going to wear as is until I see a watchmaker in 2 weeks time. Because I don't intend to change the insert, it doesn't exactly bother me. I would however like to get it right" What do you mean when you say "as is?" Are you going to wear the watch without the bezel and retention ring or are you going to push the bezel on all together?

6 July 2016, 06:11 PM	#8
theflywrist "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Stratosphere Posts: 1,990	Quick update guys. Friend of mine was able to separate them all. I tried to mount back the retention ring into the watch along with the bezel ring (without the insert), and as soon as I try to remove the bezel ring, the retention ring comes off together. Problem appears to be the retention ring. Too loose. :D Least we have identified the problem, and I guess a need retention ring is needed.

7 July 2016, 03:09 AM	#11
jmsjabb "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: North Cotswolds Posts: 115	Curious, what would you put in an ultrasonic bath other than warm water to clean and how long would you leave it in? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

7 July 2016, 03:11 AM	#12
harry in montreal "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Montreal Watch: The Habs pick 1st! Posts: 3,589	That Tudor has an exceptional dial! The inserts are worth a ton these days. Best to really be careful not to lose it. Harry

7 July 2016, 03:23 AM	#14
jban5 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: USA Watch: 5513~1675x2~1680~ Posts: 523	The reason I asked the question that I did is that I had a situation with my GMT which the 2nd owner had the crystal replaced, with an after market one which became apparent when I noticed the cyclops off by a degree or so. When we removed the bezel it came apart in the same way yours did and it didn't take much at all to remove the crystal. Replaced with an authentic Rolex crystal and the retention ring was appropriately tighter and stays in place. This is my one and only experience with this happening so I can't make anything more than this simple observation. Noticing that you have a dome crystal, sans cyclops, and wonder if this has something to do with it?

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