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RawOysters · 30 April 2015, 04:26 AM

Hey Guys,

Looking for some expert opinions here. Seller is willing to meet at AD to authenticate, but does not have papers. Please way in below in comments. 116660 M serial. Thanks in advance!

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Lgear080 · 30 April 2015, 04:36 AM

Need better pics

mjm800 · 30 April 2015, 04:46 AM

Yeah, really hard to tell anything with these photos.

Plenty of M serials with box and papers available.

AD's don't do much in terms of authenticating, at least mine doesn't. They won't open it because it would need to be pressure tested if they did and with the Deep Sea I think most AD cannot even properly pressure test it.

They don't give it to the watchmaker the salesperson just gives the watch a once over and says yay or nay but honestly they know less than me when it comes to spotting quality fakes.

Chewbacca · 30 April 2015, 05:05 AM

pictures don't offer enought info. if the seller is willing to meet at an ad, that's better than pix anyway.

mjclark32 · 30 April 2015, 05:29 AM

I don't like it. Bad pics, but it looks off when zoomed in. Look at pearl and triangle:

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mjm800 · 30 April 2015, 05:34 AM

^^^ Good catch!

Rookie52 · 30 April 2015, 05:39 AM

Look at the "Original Gas Escape Valve" engraving - The "E" in valve doesn't finish in the right place. Should split the 2 o'clock marker. Dead fake.

Lgear080 · 30 April 2015, 05:46 AM

What amazing price was this offered at?

crowncollection · 30 April 2015, 06:24 AM

Need better pics to be sure but looks a bit suspect

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jvmartin · 30 April 2015, 07:36 PM

A lot of people say willing to meet at an AD but then make thousands of excuses why they cannot... the dial print looks suspect from the pics provided and that pearl is definitely wrong... I'd say chalk it up as a fake

Cryten · 30 April 2015, 10:08 PM

Even with those pics, the dial looks off. The gap (and dash) between Sea-Dweller is too small, the crown looks short and fat, the Ring Lock System text looks badly aligned.

As mentioned before the Perl and triangle look terrible, but the minute markers seem to be shorter after the 50 mark too.

There are too many problems to blame on poor resolution photographs here. I'm thinking barge poles, and not touching it with one.

westsiderkg · 30 April 2015, 10:27 PM

seconds hand it too long...fake...move on, don't waste your time.

hunterp27 · 1 May 2015, 01:46 AM

OP, the DSSD is the replica that's easiest to get the closest to genuine. Be very very careful when looking at these. As already pointed out, we would need far better pics than those provided to say with certainty. However, there are already enough clues to lean significantly towards faker if these are the best pics he will give you. I would bet you a steak dinner that if you press him to meet at a rolex expert, he will never meet you there......

RawOysters · 1 May 2015, 11:45 AM

Thank you all for the responses! I knew I could count on (and trust) the experts.

30 April 2015, 04:26 AM	#1
RawOysters "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Real Name: Aaron Location: Indianapolis, IN Watch: 126600 Posts: 34	Please Help Authenticate Hey Guys, Looking for some expert opinions here. Seller is willing to meet at AD to authenticate, but does not have papers. Please way in below in comments. 116660 M serial. Thanks in advance! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

30 April 2015, 04:46 AM	#3
mjm800 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: USA Posts: 1,950	Yeah, really hard to tell anything with these photos. Plenty of M serials with box and papers available. AD's don't do much in terms of authenticating, at least mine doesn't. They won't open it because it would need to be pressure tested if they did and with the Deep Sea I think most AD cannot even properly pressure test it. They don't give it to the watchmaker the salesperson just gives the watch a once over and says yay or nay but honestly they know less than me when it comes to spotting quality fakes. __________________

30 April 2015, 05:29 AM	#5
mjclark32 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: MJC Location: PHL USA Watch: IWC, Rolex, AP Posts: 29,232	I don't like it. Bad pics, but it looks off when zoomed in. Look at pearl and triangle: Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________

30 April 2015, 05:34 AM	#6
mjm800 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: USA Posts: 1,950	^^^ Good catch! __________________

30 April 2015, 05:39 AM	#7
Rookie52 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Toronto Posts: 591	Please Help Authenticate Look at the "Original Gas Escape Valve" engraving - The "E" in valve doesn't finish in the right place. Should split the 2 o'clock marker. Dead fake.

30 April 2015, 04:36 AM	#2
Lgear080 Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: NYC Posts: 3,506	Need better pics

30 April 2015, 05:05 AM	#4
Chewbacca Banned Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: CJ Location: Kashyyyk Watch: Kessel Run Chrono Posts: 21,113	pictures don't offer enought info. if the seller is willing to meet at an ad, that's better than pix anyway.

30 April 2015, 05:46 AM	#8
Lgear080 Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: NYC Posts: 3,506	What amazing price was this offered at?

30 April 2015, 06:24 AM	#9
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,157	Need better pics to be sure but looks a bit suspect Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ watches many

30 April 2015, 07:36 PM	#10
jvmartin "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,349	A lot of people say willing to meet at an AD but then make thousands of excuses why they cannot... the dial print looks suspect from the pics provided and that pearl is definitely wrong... I'd say chalk it up as a fake

30 April 2015, 10:08 PM	#11
Cryten "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Terrafirma Posts: 2,655	Even with those pics, the dial looks off. The gap (and dash) between Sea-Dweller is too small, the crown looks short and fat, the Ring Lock System text looks badly aligned. As mentioned before the Perl and triangle look terrible, but the minute markers seem to be shorter after the 50 mark too. There are too many problems to blame on poor resolution photographs here. I'm thinking barge poles, and not touching it with one.

30 April 2015, 10:27 PM	#12
westsiderkg "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Real Name: Pittsburgh Dad Location: Pittsburgh, PA Watch: '66 Submariner Posts: 1,121	seconds hand it too long...fake...move on, don't waste your time.

1 May 2015, 01:46 AM	#13
hunterp27 Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: JHP Location: Fairview, TX Watch: WG 18039 Day/Date Posts: 789	OP, the DSSD is the replica that's easiest to get the closest to genuine. Be very very careful when looking at these. As already pointed out, we would need far better pics than those provided to say with certainty. However, there are already enough clues to lean significantly towards faker if these are the best pics he will give you. I would bet you a steak dinner that if you press him to meet at a rolex expert, he will never meet you there......

1 May 2015, 11:45 AM	#14
RawOysters "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Real Name: Aaron Location: Indianapolis, IN Watch: 126600 Posts: 34	Thank you all for the responses! I knew I could count on (and trust) the experts.

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