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Old 10 December 2016, 01:41 PM   #1
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Pam 441 and other ceramic models. How do they hold up?

The 441 has all of the checks marked for me. I'm leaning towards this one being my next watch as I need/want a gmt. I LOVE black watches BUT have been reluctant to buy one being afraid of what will happen to the black.

I know they are ceramic but I'm curious how they hold up to normal wear and tear. That is my only concern about a black watch.
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Old 10 December 2016, 02:38 PM   #2
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I've had my ceramic for about half a year now and no issues at all. Unless you drop the watch onto the ground, it should hold up great to normal wear and tear. My 335 still looks brand new.
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Old 11 December 2016, 01:15 PM   #3
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Thanks coaster. Like a lot of WIS guys I'm careful about how I treat them. Not as anal as some but I do take care of them. Also because of the business I am in I don't get to wear them daily so that helps with the wear and tear I guess.
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Old 12 December 2016, 10:35 PM   #4
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I owned the 441 for about a year and it looked mint when I traded it.
I currently own the 438 it too has held up amazingly, looks brand new.
And I love it on the Ceramic bracelet!
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Old 13 December 2016, 11:41 PM   #5
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They should always look new. I'd just be sure to insure it for damage, not just theft.
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Old 14 December 2016, 08:26 AM   #6
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I owned the 441 for about a year and it looked mint when I traded it.
I currently own the 438 it too has held up amazingly, looks brand new.
And I love it on the Ceramic bracelet!
I'm mostly a bracelet guy. The 438 is almost grail status for me. How does the bracelet hold up? Isn't it just coated or is it actual pieces of ceramic?
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Old 15 December 2016, 07:18 AM   #7
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Own 441: bumps and knocks that left marks on my 088 don't leave a trace.
Absolutely love this watch, one thing to note though is how understated it is (which I personally like) Where I always saw everyone's eyes drawn to my 088 with its high polish, I rarely see anyone looking at my 441.
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Old 15 December 2016, 01:52 PM   #8
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Own 441: bumps and knocks that left marks on my 088 don't leave a trace.
Absolutely love this watch, one thing to note though is how understated it is (which I personally like) Where I always saw everyone's eyes drawn to my 088 with its high polish, I rarely see anyone looking at my 441.
I really like the idea of being understated. What's funny though Is I find others and myself especially are drawn to look at black steel watches.
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Old 15 December 2016, 02:09 PM   #9
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Should look new forever unless you drop it and are unlucky, or hit an edge against a tough material, in which case it may crack or chip (and that is an expensive repair).

Otherwise, if you see a mark on it, it is residue of whatever you hit it against and should come out with a pencil eraser or tooth paste.

A weak point are the female screw threads for the strap pins as these are metal pieces built into the case. If you somehow damage them, I believe it is a case replacement ... so take it easy with the torque when swapping straps.

Killer watch! I owned it for a while ....

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Old 16 December 2016, 07:52 AM   #10
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I'm mostly a bracelet guy. The 438 is almost grail status for me. How does the bracelet hold up? Isn't it just coated or is it actual pieces of ceramic?
The bracelet looks mint!
It is made of of actual pieces of ceramic!
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Old 16 December 2016, 09:56 AM   #11
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Old 16 December 2016, 11:47 AM   #12
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Whoa. I might rethink the purchase and opt for the 438.
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Old 16 December 2016, 12:15 PM   #13
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Whoa. I might rethink the purchase and opt for the 438.
If you know you will want the bracelet it is really the only way to go, if you buy the 441 and add the bracelet later you will pay a premium, its more economical to buy straps for the 438 than it is to add the ceramic bracelet to the 441. Plus you get the blacked out movement as an additional benefit.

I never wear bracelets so I went right for the 441 and saved a few $$
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Old 16 December 2016, 12:34 PM   #14
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If you know you will want the bracelet it is really the only way to go, if you buy the 441 and add the bracelet later you will pay a premium, its more economical to buy straps for the 438 than it is to add the ceramic bracelet to the 441. Plus you get the blacked out movement as an additional benefit.

I never wear bracelets so I went right for the 441 and saved a few $$
Panerai won't sell you a ceramic bracelet separately.
I tried when I had the 441.
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Old 16 December 2016, 01:32 PM   #15
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Good to know! I did see one once on Chrono24, don't remember the price though
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Old 16 December 2016, 01:46 PM   #16
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Panerai won't sell you a ceramic bracelet separately.
I tried when I had the 441.
OMG could you imagine what it would cost if they would? LMAO it would probably be $4k
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Old 16 December 2016, 02:12 PM   #17
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there is a silver grey ceramic on there now actually for $1400
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Old 16 December 2016, 10:33 PM   #18
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Whoa. I might rethink the purchase and opt for the 438.
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=506067

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Old 16 December 2016, 11:02 PM   #19
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Wow, that's a bargain for someone looking for a 441 and living in the US
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