Gonna be a while for a new watch after my "Trojan Boner of the year award"

[gwalker]

Just thinking after this I could've went with a 36 Yellowfin for what I'll have in this contender now. Well I have a 2012 contender 35 open I haven't had long and made a HUGE screw up. We were trolling in and I did t take my greenstck down. I had a Shimano 80w that either got hung or one of the largest fish I've hooded in a while hit it. I forgot it was even still fishing. Have 3 Year old Yahama 350's on it running around 45kts and the 80w with 1500 yards of 100lb braid was gone in no time. My buddy was running the boat and slightly freaked and stopped the boat abruptly. Only issue is I was in such a rush to get the boat stopped it slammed in reverse. Killed both engines.... Now I'm looking at either a repower somewhere in the range of $60k or rebuild them. Rebuild will be about $35k I think. Never have I been so Discouraged. It honestly wasn't his fault bc the green stick broke and freaked all of us out. I also run a 82' Viking for a gentleman out of Philly that I've never so much as had a minor issue with. But this is my personal boat that is only a few months old to me and represents a MAJOR INVESTMENT TO ME. I consider myself a very good captain with an excellent safety record. This is a hard pill to swallow especially after what I just sank into buying the boat. We were planning on using the boat in the next few weeks to make runs to the Caribbean to bring supplies to our fellow fishermen. Good thing is I'll have a winter to sort this out just sucks I only used the boat a few times. But the extremely generous gentleman I know from Philly told me he would make sure the boat is ready to go by spring regardless if I need help or not. He even offed to have it transported to NJ to have a refit or rebuild depending on the damage in a month or so since the marine mechanics are going to be so busy and told me not to worry about anything. He has a full time mechanic on staff so I won't be waiting 6-12 months for a repair without shelling out stupid money. I I'm so thankful that there are people like this in this world especially since I couldn't even run his boat this summer due to my severe car accident and 2 surgeries on my arm. On top of everything he has considered letting us use his Viking to take supplies as the areas he loves to fish are devastated and pay for all expenses Ft Lauderdale to Puerto Rico (fuel for one way is 5000 gal at .2 mpg). He also has a 42 Yellowfin that he will let us take supplies down as soon as he can ship it to FL. I doubt I'll ever have the opportunity to do something like that or own yachts of those calibers but the fact someone like that is so selfless. I know there are many out there that can help and it not effect their lives at all and I strongly suggest those that can help those in such dire need right now. Have many friends in the keys and south FL mostly Islamorada and their livelihoods are stalled for no telling how long before people start vacationing and fishing down there. I know they make decent wages but bills pile up very very fast. Especially with boat payments and insurance.

[mfer]

I hear you are either really rich or really poor if you own a boat!

Hope you get is sorted reasonable. Sucks.

[jhilly8982]

http://www.thehulltruth.com/boating-...erse-uhoh.html

I would take a look at this thread. Assuming you hydrolocked the engines, some people have had this repair covered under Yamaha warranty. Did you have a mechanic look at it?

[gwalker]

Well I was ok now it looks like I may need to sell a kidney, lobe of my liver, or start being a male escort but I'd have to pay them... I debated on that boat for 2 months and after everything I couldn't say no since it was less than half the price of a new one and fully loaded with what I wanted. But as you know with boats things happen and when they do it's not cheap. I'm just glad I'll be able to get it fixed and not worry too much. Even if it's a little more than I need to spend I have a great friend willing to help me out no questions asked. I could say he kinda owes me since I did get his Viking out of Ft Lauderdale for Irma and made him some good tournament money in 2015 and 2016 but I no way expected it since it's part of my job. and make some money with my personal charters next summer I'm just glad I didn't finance as much as I was going to but the extra I put into the loan would've helped right now.


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[gwalker]

Originally Posted by jhilly8982

http://www.thehulltruth.com/boating-...erse-uhoh.html

I would take a look at this thread. Assuming you hydrolocked the engines, some people have had this repair covered under Yamaha warranty. Did you have a mechanic look at it?

Thanks but no the gears are chewed and water in the power heads somehow. I'm going to contact yahama just to see but as
Much as I love them I wont repower yahama. I'd rebuild if price is right but they are heavy and kill my range. I do love the reliability but almost all the mfgrs make quality motors now. Drained the oil and it looks like a milkshake lol. I mean we were around 4500-4700rpm and it went into reverse not even slowing down. Kinda disappointed there isn't a computer program to prevent this..... I looked at it. I know large sportfish diesels as the Vikings I've ran had 12v 2000s and 16v 2000s on a Viking 70 and 82 so I have a pretty good idea of marine engines. I'm no way an expert with outboards but I can work on them with ease. I'm going to have someone really look at it soon but I'll prob just sent it to NJ for repairs and hopefully get the Yellowfin or Viking if we have a full crew to help out. In the last
Few hours I think I'll go with the Suzks bc everyone I've seen is loving them. Twin 350's are plenty. The trip 300 yahamas don't do anything but burn more fuel but are great engines but the suzukis are really getting a following. I've had Verados on my 320 outrage, yahamas on my contenders and I had a few e-tecs that I loved. I want to try the new ones but just too new but wow what economy. I will say that I'd much rather have 300 yahamas than 350s. If you want a 350 get a Mercury or Suzuki. I just don't see the point I. Trip 300's vs twin 350s. Fuel weight and drag negate the performance.


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[swils8610]

Get a second opinion. My boss just took delivery of a new Nor-Tech 390 Sport with 4 Yamaha 350’s on it. Great motors.


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[gwalker]

Originally Posted by swils8610

Get a second opinion. My boss just took delivery of a new Nor-Tech 390 Sport with 4 Yamaha 350’s on it. Great motors.


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I'm getting a second opinion. But imho if rebuilt looks like a TOTAL rebuild. As Forrest Gump said. "Sh&t happens".


I posted a post on me riding in a Nor-tech 5200 with 5500ish HP yesterday. Scared the crap out of me. I asked the captain if we were wide open. He said 55-60%..... still around 140-150 mph....


I saw this in Ft Lauderdale. Nor-Tech with trip seven marine 627's. I'd love to get that out on some smooth water. 1881 HP on a 39 ft boat!!!! 90 mph is stupid so I could imagine what 4 of those will do. There is also a custom with 4 of those so I can't imagine having 4 Corvette Zo6 pushing that boat wide open but I'd imagine the 5200 power boat I ran in once was much more comfortable. I couldn't imagine letting all 5500ish HP open. We were just messing around on a poker run and left almost every other boat in the dust except for a MTI that was equal to the Nortech.


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[gwalker]

Originally Posted by swils8610

Get a second opinion. My boss just took delivery of a new Nor-Tech 390 Sport with 4 Yamaha 350’s on it. Great motors.


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FYI super jealous with that boat..... not jealous of the fuel bill or cost though. I've had the privilege of being around some amazing vessels. In my life. I got to demo a Boston Whaler 420 with quad 400's (maybe 350's Mercs in 2015. The first 7 figure non custom center console I'd ever been on. I couldn't imagine. You could buy a 55' sportfish a few years old with that kind of money. Since then I've also been on a HydraSports Suenos 53' with quad 627s but really a $2.3m cc is stupid. It's perfect in every way but you are in used nice sportfish territory. The craziest fishing vessels I've been on is the 90' Baylis Singularis which is probably the crown jewel of a custom sportfish. I don't know the cost but upto $15-20m wouldn't phase me one bit. I've been on several 92 Vikings Fa-la-me, Viking demo that the owner of the Viking I run tested before he ordered his 92 last year, and A Work of Art. The Vikings are semi custom but really can be configured just like a full custom if you want to wait and spend the cash. Personally I think the ones over 82 are a little too much for just fishing. If I was buying a Viking 70 that will run 55 knots a d turn on a dime is perfect. You lose a little room but it's still a 70'. Also I had the pleasure of just waking around the custom ACY Cest La Vie. I'd love to have taken a ride considering it has almost 10k HP and can hit 50 kts for a 90 footer. And of course there is the fully Custom Rybovich 86' Cynthia on the market now. She is right there with Singularis. The fit and finish of this boat are up there with the highest master carpentry I've ever seen. Not a penny spared. I guess that's why a custom
Bot 4 years old costs more than a top of the line Viking.




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Cynthia

Fa-la-me. (Compare to the 55' next to it)


Singularis

[cajunron]

Wow, that's a tough one. It's hard to believe those engines don't have a safety interlock to prevent that from happening. I'm sure you aren't the first one to have this happen. Seems like a very costly accident. Best of luck to ya.

[gwalker]

Originally Posted by cajunron

Wow, that's a tough one. It's hard to believe those engines don't have a safety interlock to prevent that from happening. I'm sure you aren't the first one to have this happen. Seems like a very costly accident. Best of luck to ya.

I know. Actually happened to a friend of mine the week before Irma in Boyton. After research it's actually safety so u can stop faster apparently. They messed up a Yamaha 250 and it was about $15k rebuild and the mother was a year old. No warranty coverage there. There is actually a Pretty hard stop at neutral but with the situation I guess it's not hard to keep pulling back.


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[swils8610]

My boss sold his 2002 Cigarette Top Gun to fund the Nor Tech. The Cig would run 90mph which is crazy fast on the water. The Nor-Tech will run about 85mph. It was in the Miami boat show this year.


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[swils8610]

This is the actual boat. I had the pleasure of running it last week and it was amazing. Can’t believe how quiet the Yamaha’s run.


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[gwalker]

Originally Posted by swils8610

This is the actual boat. I had the pleasure of running it last week and it was amazing. Can’t believe how quiet the Yamaha’s run.


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What a sharp boat. Incredible for a CC. But I've been 78-80 on a CC and even with a optimum deadrise it makes me nervous. A 35 cc could easily end bad in 5-6s quartering-at that speed. But if I was going to do it a speed hull like cigarette, Nor-tech, -Donzi, fountain, that are made
More for speed and cruising other than fishing I find them are much more comfortable at speed. I plan on running CCs for the next 6-10 years and then hope to move into the 48-60' range as I get more friends to go out on a regular basis. I've ran a 61 Weaver with just me and a green teenager but it's honestly more than I like to do. And get something a few years old and the prices are ok. Considering you move from a 55-65-70' you are talking a 6 to low 7 figure boat to a boat that can be upwards of 3-5+++ M for around the same year. Those extra 10-15 feet have much larger engines, usually tons more amenities, and are just notAs Abundant and the people Looking at those don't worry as those in the upper middle class must do. I'll need the Powerball or a very rich uncle I don't know about. Also most of the 70'+ have tons of custom features that those that can afford those boats don't care to pay a premium.

For me the perfect boat for the person that can't afford a huge sportfish is thebViking 52 Open. Last pic but this is what I want after years of savings. Imho the perfect family fishing boat. Can be easily ran with a competent captain and 1 friend (even not to bad to run alone) but big enough for long overnight trips.


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[gwalker]

Originally Posted by swils8610

This is the actual boat. I had the pleasure of running it last week and it was amazing. Can’t believe how quiet the Yamaha’s run.


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Yea they are quiet. I'm not sure if you've heard the Seven Marine but they aren't too loud considering it's a LT1 SC Corvette engine. It's a nice growl but pleasant to me. I've been spurned much louder like the merc old racing motors. Freeman Boatworks is making state of the are cat center consoles from 29-42LR. You can get up to quad 400rs on them. Right. Is but quad 557 Or 627 rumored to be in the future. You can even get the quads on the 37. These boats are beasts and will fish with just about any large sportfish. Only issue is delivery time and of course hue cost. Engine options include quad 350 yam and merc 400r on the 42 and 37. These boats ride amazing and are fast. Also on the 37 I think the seven marine 627 are available. I've heard a rumor that quad 557 will be available on the 42 so I can't imagine that beast. This boat is huge though so not quite as fast as u might think but still just as fast as other CCs of much smaller size. Just look up the results from the Mexican Gulf Fishing Co and see what success these guys are having with these boats. I've really gotten off track about killing my motors and now I'm looking at boats that unless I invent time travel r a car that runs on perpetual motion I won't be owning them anytime soon. But at least I get to fish on some of them.


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[Laszlo]

Incredible boats, just breathtaking.

The costs too... my goodness.

I can see why though - the addiction.

[gwalker]

Sorry for such a long post I just have a million things in my head and thought someone might give some advice if you have any experience with boats and vessels.

Originally Posted by Laszlo

Incredible boats, just breathtaking.

The costs too... my goodness.

I can see why though - the addiction.

Oh yea the costs..... in 08 when I had my Whaler i trailered it for gas and it was still $800-1000 for a fill up. Got to the point that I was always looking for ppl to fish offshore with me to offset gas price. Otherwise just my wife and a few friends around the Cape May Harbor and inshore. Looking for strippers and blues. I was only 23-24 at the time and didn't realize all the cost associated with a larger twin engine boat. Not to mention that Whaler got about .9-1.2 mpg. The contender I have is so much lighter and I could run it easier getting 1.6-2 mpg if conditions were right. I'm just having a tough time dealing with this tonight bc I had several watches I was looking at and now the items I was selling to help fund those looks like it's going right back into the boat that is honestly immaculate. Even though I've been offered help I'm not the kind to take it. I also do have a cattle farm and considering using some of that to offset the cost. I'm just lost. I don't know if I should fix the boat, resale which would be more than I have in it (but now it's winter) and maybe upgrading to ether a one or two year older comparable Yellowfin, SeaVee Yanmar, regulator, Ronaldo or edge water. I've always loved contenders but using them in NJ they are wet. I won't buy another Whaler even though they are awesome Boats but imho too heavy. I'd love a SeaVee with IPS but they are rough at my price range or super expensive for a nice one. Well for full replacement the motors are close to $30k each putting almost $220k which is sickening. I could've got a 39 Contender for that price and same year. I'm wondering now if maybe I should repair if possible and use the boat or try to sell and upgrade. I know there is a huge shortage of bots right now so hopefully I could get what I need out of he boat. I wouldn't mind a bigger boat but I don't really want trips and quads are really out of the picture fuel and maintenance makes no sense to me. I will only fish smaller tournaments in this boat but trip 250-300 really aren't any better than 350 Suzuki r even a 400r Merc but I don't want to burn 91 gas. After a lot of looking found. A 2014 35 Contender ST with trip Mercury Verados 300's. It's kinda more power than I want. I'd rather have a twin set up but boats that size will need strong engines. I'm convinced that 2 350 susukis r Verados. will go just fine (coming from someone that's has had over 6 cars with over 1000 HP over the years.....

Well after
Talking to a friend in he marine industry I've found a few boats that will be close to my budget after I repair the engines. I've always preferred 2 over 3 engines except in 42+ and imho quads are needed. I just don't think the fuel consumption, maintenance, and extra weight makes up for the 4-5 mph. But the boats I'm looking at now have mostly 3 engines but with out a repower looks like anything in the 34-39 range is 3 or 4 outboards. Kinda why I'd like to have a diesel but diesel boats are Ike diesel trucks. I think they are made out of gold. If the contender is fixed and sold I've found several replacements many that seem to be even an improvement but I did love that boat and I'm still not totally against keeping it but the market for nice boats right now is sky high and with a rebuild or repower it should fetch top dollar . The 35 Everglades already has newer trip Suzukis and looks like a great
Deal as long as wires nod takes check out. 39 is even a better deal as long as everything is ok but engines are a little high and I need to get a full checkout but would be a great boat but I'd like to repower but the 350 yahamas will really help with moving to Verados. Not huge on the triton as I don't think it's constructionnis up to par with the other ines but it has 3x300 Suzuki outboards and good price. Going to need a lot of detail but if I can get a decent rice for the contender I'd righ it out nicely. The 35 Contender ST is a great deal.Edgewater 388 2011 trip yam 350s97 07 Jupiter 38. Would be repowered need to have thanks certified but boat in good condition. But bills could add up fast since repower and new tanks are so expensive. But jupiters are great boats.

[rouxeny]

Nice boat’s! My friend with a boat has always told me two things. 1) the two best days of a boat onpwner’s life are the day he buys one and the day he sells it. 2) akways better to have a friend with a boat.

I’m always astounded by the costs of boat ownership. Almost makes the car guys look sane.

[Maybelline]

Ouch. I wouldn’t be able to sleep for weeks if that happened to my boat.

I just have a 2013 Grady White freedom 225. I’d love to up grade to a 275 or 285 in the future. If you hear of any good deals please let me know.
Good luck with the motors.

[gwalker]

Originally Posted by rouxeny

Nice boat’s! My friend with a boat has always told me two things. 1) the two best days of a boat onpwner’s life are the day he buys one and the day he sells it. 2) akways better to have a friend with a boat.

I’m always astounded by the costs of boat ownership. Almost makes the car guys look sane.

I get the logic but I've been sick with every boat I've sold. Especially if y new one want ready.


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[gwalker]

Well the depression is getting better. Insurance is super helpful now time to look flotbs boat in 3-4 on the

04'albemarle. Would only be my second sportfish. But with the luxury, economy, and pure fishing machine


10 SeaVee390 with IPS. The ultimate in andputtinf the boat where u want it. Been on several and they are a hell of a machine.


A
Sure front runner. 39T Contender that is close in price to
My 31.

36
Yellowfin. What else needs to be said. Needs nothing and a lot less
Than the $400-550k new one. Has new motors too

I've always had center consoles but this Post really has my eye. Perfect
For fishing and parrying.

I know I've shown a few
Boats but I have a high choice to make. I wish I could get a Viking but any of these will be perfect for me. I'm
Really considering a Sportfish now for longer
Time off shore.

Just for fun if anyone wants to timeshare looks like fun.... ONLY $10m....





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[gwalker]

Originally Posted by Bryant Park

A quick scan of your posts suggests you have recently destroyed a boat, a watch, three phones and severely cut your hand? That is a hell of a bad run! Hang in there.



I also noted you are interested in spear fishing. No offense but you may want to rethink that

Well engines are gone. Really just parts now but good news is I'm looking for a few boat for the spring. I don't know how big of a boater you are but I've found some decent deals. (Not the Viking lol). Im really thinking. About a smaller 50' Sportfish. I'd love a 42 Yellowfin but that much for a. center console is pretty big sportfish $$$. Not to mention upto $2000 in gas every weekend. But with a boat like that you can afford it. I will really miss it though. Fish all day for a few hundred bucks. No issues going 125-150 miles out. Great little boat. RIP


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[gwalker]

Pic of one of my engines. Not sure that the oil is supposed to be white.....

My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard....
Hopefully One is a grade a mechanic... but I'm not hopeful.

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[greggsiam]

Originally Posted by cajunron

Wow, that's a tough one. It's hard to believe those engines don't have a safety interlock to prevent that from happening. I'm sure you aren't the first one to have this happen. Seems like a very costly accident. Best of luck to ya.

Yeah, I thought the same. I am mechanically inclined, but I have zero knowledge of boating. I would think there would be some means to prevent this, if even just a detent on the shift to prevent quick mistakes.

[Billfishn]

That sucks man. I'm surprised they don't have a safety especially if their the fly by wire.

[Billfishn]

Originally Posted by gwalker

Well engines are gone. Really just parts now but good news is I'm looking for a few boat for the spring. I don't know how big of a boater you are but I've found some decent deals. (Not the Viking lol). Im really thinking. About a smaller 50' Sportfish. I'd love a 42 Yellowfin but that much for a. center console is pretty big sportfish $$$. Not to mention upto $2000 in gas every weekend. But with a boat like that you can afford it. I will really miss it though. Fish all day for a few hundred bucks. No issues going 125-150 miles out. Great little boat. RIP


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I hear ya, I fish a 31 Capehorn and it's great cruising at 35 knots and only costing a couple pennies compared to the big boys. Of course you give up the the creature comforts but I get the best sleep in a beanbag on the way out!

[gwalker]

Well update. After looking at my options I got 2 Yamaha 350’s with about 200 hours each on them from a friend who put 557’s on his CC. I’m glad I love boating bc I’ll be paying on them for a while. Could’ve had a used Platona or decent AP or PP. oh well. The cost of boats. Like watches really not justifiable but we love our toys.

While my bout was being worked on here is a awesome pic of us backing down on a marlin in Bimini.



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[Maybelline]

Originally Posted by gwalker

Well update. After looking at my options I got 2 Yamaha 350’s with about 200 hours each on them from a friend who put 557’s on his CC. I’m glad I love boating bc I’ll be paying on them for a while. Could’ve had a used Platona or decent AP or PP. oh well. The cost of boats. Like watches really not justifiable but we love our toys.

While my bout was being worked on here is a awesome pic of us backing down on a marlin in Bimini.



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We put our boat away for the season last weekend. I miss it already.

That’s a cool picture.

[gwalker]

Originally Posted by Maybelline

We put our boat away for the season last weekend. I miss it already.



That’s a cool picture.

Yea too bad the owners wife was on the boat and she HATES backing down. She gets on the boat maybe once a year. We had to list to her complain for 2 days after that. It wasn’t needed to back down so hard bc we were using huge tackle but just doing a little practice Incase we did get a big one.


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