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Kelvin010989 · 21 September 2017, 11:49 AM

I bought this off from a pre-owner from eBay.
When I received it, the watch feels kinda off.
Even though I did lot of researchs and checks a real one in the Rolex boutiques. This is my first Rolex so I was very paranoid !
Please help me to identify if the watch is authentic or fake !
Thank you so much.

Bisquitlips · 21 September 2017, 12:14 PM

If you have any question why not take it to a jeweler and have them remove the back. It should be someone who can pressure test it to ensure it is tight afterward.

Your photos aren't good enough to really tell you anything and there are fakes out there that are incredibly accurate.

GLADIATOR · 21 September 2017, 01:23 PM

lousy photos, but pointing to fake.
If you want it authenticated, post more and better dial photos
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Canook · 21 September 2017, 01:38 PM

wrong book (doesnt mean watch is fake) and box looks like one of the new chinese copy boxes... there is a small detail on the boxes they have not got right yet from what i know and this shows that detail
2 things that would give me concern.... pictures of the watch are very poor so i cannot pass judgement on it
Take better photos from all angles if you want better advice

waQstar · 21 September 2017, 02:52 PM

All pics are diff ? What the ?

Smplife · 21 September 2017, 03:03 PM

A Rolex official repair place can do a detailed Watch evaluation for you. They will check everything inside out and give you a report. However, this service costs $150.

Kelvin010989 · 21 September 2017, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waQstar

All pics are diff ? What the ?

Thank you for all the replies!
The green color of the box is not looked right. What do your professional advise about this?

Kelvin010989 · 21 September 2017, 03:08 PM

Thanks for all replies!
The green color of the box looks so off ? I’m not sure if it’s the right one since I never owned an rolex before

crowncollection · 21 September 2017, 04:22 PM

you need clear pics for a definitive answer

H_tony11 · 21 September 2017, 04:42 PM

Too early to tell. If you can upload the photos from few different angles, that would help in looking at it

antrolexsub · 21 September 2017, 05:01 PM

The watch is genuine. Mismatched box and manuals but good other than that.

beshannon · 21 September 2017, 09:21 PM

Cannot tell anything from those "pictures"

GLADIATOR · 21 September 2017, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by antrolexsub

The watch is genuine. Mismatched box and manuals but good other than that.

Really???

Chewbacca · 21 September 2017, 09:52 PM

Get it authenticated by a professional. You don't know enough about the watch and will always have doubts.

GLADIATOR · 21 September 2017, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chewbacca

Get it authenticated by a professional. You don't know enough about the watch and will always have doubts.

Post decent dial shots and we can tell if its fake or genuine!

offrdmania · 21 September 2017, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Post decent dial shots and we can tell if its fake or genuine!

Feels like a troll post to me

GLADIATOR · 21 September 2017, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by offrdmania

Feels like a troll post to me

Mosco · 22 September 2017, 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by offrdmania

feels like a troll post to me

^^^^this^^^^

antrolexsub · 22 September 2017, 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Really???

Yes, look at the case, the SEL, the clarity of the crystal, the cyclops AR, the dial, the bezel etc. I could go on. We've had this conversation before Adam. Show me a fake that looks like the one in the OP? You can't. They don't exist. I deal with these things everyday, I've seen nearly every fake that's coming out of China, including high end 'franken' watches. They all have tells.

NothingToSeeHere · 22 September 2017, 12:47 AM

Interesting, when I purchased my GMT II, it was through a trusted seller here, but was sourced from an overseas AD. They sent me an oyster perpetual booklet instead of the GMT booklet. That was never resolved. I plan on purchasing the correct booklet on ebay so I have everything correct.

cda555 · 22 September 2017, 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by antrolexsub

Yes, look at the case, the SEL, the clarity of the crystal, the cyclops AR, the dial, the bezel etc. I could go on. We've had this conversation before Adam. Show me a fake that looks like the one in the OP? You can't. They don't exist. I deal with these things everyday, I've seen nearly every fake that's coming out of China, including high end 'franken' watches. They all have tells.

You must have some eagle eyes because the pictures are really blurry to me.

GLADIATOR · 22 September 2017, 01:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by antrolexsub

Yes, look at the case, the SEL, the clarity of the crystal, the cyclops AR, the dial, the bezel etc. I could go on. We've had this conversation before Adam. Show me a fake that looks like the one in the OP? You can't. They don't exist. I deal with these things everyday, I've seen nearly every fake that's coming out of China, including high end 'franken' watches. They all have tells.

Agreed they "all have tells", but in my opinion the "only" 100% guarantee "tell" on OP watch is not possible to identify.

I can post fake GMT where ONLY the movement is fake, case and dial are original.

I personally "try" to only identify genuine or fake, if I can be 100% sure, and even then I make errors.
In this case its impossible in my opinion to 100% state its genuine, as you appear to say.

But its up to the OP to decide, based on all our inputs. would I buy it with those photos and "your" assurance? Nope, not a chance!
Best
adam

Kelvin010989 · 22 September 2017, 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by antrolexsub

Yes, look at the case, the SEL, the clarity of the crystal, the cyclops AR, the dial, the bezel etc. I could go on. We've had this conversation before Adam. Show me a fake that looks like the one in the OP? You can't. They don't exist. I deal with these things everyday, I've seen nearly every fake that's coming out of China, including high end 'franken' watches. They all have tells.

Thank you!
And watch out for this seller on eBay!
ebay.272854483570

antrolexsub · 22 September 2017, 01:58 AM

Images are stolen from here a U.K. dealer:

http://www.beaugems.com/rolex-gmt-ma...and-paper.html

Not sure what's going on here?

GLADIATOR · 22 September 2017, 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by antrolexsub

Images are stolen from here a U.K. dealer:

http://www.beaugems.com/rolex-gmt-ma...and-paper.html

Not sure what's going on here?

Me neither, but reported
Thanks
adam

epc2 · 22 September 2017, 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by antrolexsub

Images are stolen from here a U.K. dealer:

http://www.beaugems.com/rolex-gmt-ma...and-paper.html

Not sure what's going on here?

I'm sure this is just one of the scammers posting this kind of threads to gain confidence and ask for help to then use the username as a fake reference or later post a watch for sale under another username etc etc.

Stolen pics, new member,poor english !!!

GLADIATOR · 22 September 2017, 02:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epc2

I'm sure this is just one of the scammers posting this kind of threads to gain confidence and ask for help to then use the username as a fake reference or later post a watch for sale under another username etc etc.

Stolen pics, new member,poor english !!!

What ever
The item is removed
Great work
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=272854483570

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slipperman · 22 September 2017, 03:56 AM

ICHS is no longer a definitive for calling fake. just an fyi for the regulars here.

GLADIATOR · 22 September 2017, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by slipperman

ICHS is no longer a definitive for calling fake. just an fyi for the regulars here.

What is "ICHS"??

slipperman · 22 September 2017, 04:32 AM

I thought you were the big fake spotter guru here? don't know what ichs is? ......mmmmmm.

21 September 2017, 12:14 PM	#2
Bisquitlips 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Richard Location: USA Watch: YM Deep Space Posts: 12,501	If you have any question why not take it to a jeweler and have them remove the back. It should be someone who can pressure test it to ensure it is tight afterward. Your photos aren't good enough to really tell you anything and there are fakes out there that are incredibly accurate. __________________ Rolex Yacht-Master 40mm (SS-YG / Deep Space MOP) 16623 Breitling Aerospace Titanium / 18K with UTC. Omega Speedmaster 3510.50 Oris TT1 Pro Diver Regulator 43MM

21 September 2017, 01:23 PM	#3
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	lousy photos, but pointing to fake. If you want it authenticated, post more and better dial photos A __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

21 September 2017, 01:38 PM	#4
Canook "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Real Name: Jason Location: Aussie/Malaysia Watch: too many to list Posts: 1,470	wrong book (doesnt mean watch is fake) and box looks like one of the new chinese copy boxes... there is a small detail on the boxes they have not got right yet from what i know and this shows that detail 2 things that would give me concern.... pictures of the watch are very poor so i cannot pass judgement on it Take better photos from all angles if you want better advice __________________ Current lineup -116610LV Sub -16233 Tapestry Datejust -16610LV KERMIT -116600 SD4000....16612 Yachtmaster- 16710 PEPSI -216570(polar)- -Yachtmaster II 116688 126300 Datejust 41 jubilee * Card carrying member of TRF's Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons *

21 September 2017, 02:52 PM	#5
waQstar "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Real Name: Walter A. Location: Sunny California Watch: 16760 Posts: 2,629	All pics are diff ? What the ? __________________ Our shadows taller than our soul........

21 September 2017, 04:22 PM	#9
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,157	you need clear pics for a definitive answer __________________ watches many

21 September 2017, 03:03 PM	#6
Smplife "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: LA Posts: 6	A Rolex official repair place can do a detailed Watch evaluation for you. They will check everything inside out and give you a report. However, this service costs $150.

21 September 2017, 04:42 PM	#10
H_tony11 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Tony Location: Sydney Posts: 186	Too early to tell. If you can upload the photos from few different angles, that would help in looking at it __________________ Current watches: Hulk, 16710 Pepsi, seiko Blumo SBDC003, Omega Bond Blue, Datejust, SARB035, Seiko SNP065, G-Shock, Aqua Terra Blue Bond Past watches: GMT2C, Daytona Black, Planet Ocean Seamaster, Datejust, 116610ln

21 September 2017, 05:01 PM	#11
antrolexsub "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Earth Posts: 758	The watch is genuine. Mismatched box and manuals but good other than that.

21 September 2017, 09:21 PM	#12
beshannon "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Brian Location: Northern Virginia Watch: One of Not Many Posts: 17,895	Cannot tell anything from those "pictures" __________________ Vacheron Constantin Traditionnelle Complete Calendar, Glashutte PanoInverse, Glashutte SeaQ Panorama Date, Omega Aqua Terra 150, Omega CK 859, Omega Speedmaster 3861 Moonwatch, Glashutte Senator Exellence, Rolex 116710 GMT Master II BLNR, Breitling Superocean Steelfish, JLC Atmos Transparent

21 September 2017, 09:52 PM	#14
Chewbacca Banned Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: CJ Location: Kashyyyk Watch: Kessel Run Chrono Posts: 21,113	Get it authenticated by a professional. You don't know enough about the watch and will always have doubts.

22 September 2017, 12:47 AM	#20
NothingToSeeHere "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Texas Posts: 159	Interesting, when I purchased my GMT II, it was through a trusted seller here, but was sourced from an overseas AD. They sent me an oyster perpetual booklet instead of the GMT booklet. That was never resolved. I plan on purchasing the correct booklet on ebay so I have everything correct.

22 September 2017, 01:58 AM	#24
antrolexsub "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Earth Posts: 758	Images are stolen from here a U.K. dealer: http://www.beaugems.com/rolex-gmt-ma...and-paper.html Not sure what's going on here?

22 September 2017, 03:56 AM	#28
slipperman "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: westcoast Posts: 134	ICHS is no longer a definitive for calling fake. just an fyi for the regulars here.

22 September 2017, 04:32 AM	#30
slipperman "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: westcoast Posts: 134	I thought you were the big fake spotter guru here? don't know what ichs is? ......mmmmmm.

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