Why is VC in the holy trinity?

[Luther89]

I’d like to know why they are considered part of the holy trinity? I personally don’t understand it.

Thanks

[james.l]

Because of the history and their complicated watches the used to make.

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[Syed117]

Because they paid their Holy Trinity Fees and Rolex refused to.

[beshannon]

Vacheron Constantin is one of the oldest watch manufacturers in the world with an uninterrupted watchmaking history since its founding.[1][4] It employs around 1,200 people worldwide as of 2018, most of whom are based in the company's manufacturing plants in Canton of Geneva and Vallée de Joux in Switzerland.[5]

Vacheron Constantin is a highly regarded watch manufacturer.[5][6][7][8][9] Over the years, notable Vacheron Constantin patrons and timepieces owners include Queen Elizabeth II, Pope Pius XI, Napoléon Bonaparte, Marlon Brando, William James, John D. Rockefeller, Diana Princess of Wales, Harry S. Truman, Wright brothers, and so on.[10][11][12][13][14] The Vacheron Constantin pocket watch No. 402833 (1929), which was owned by King Fuad I of Egypt, ranks as one of the most expensive watches ever sold at auction, fetching US$2.77 million (3,306,250 CHF) in Geneva on April 3, 2005.[15][16] In 2015, Vacheron Constantin introduced the pocket watch Reference 57260, which currently holds the title of the most complicated mechanical watch ever made, with 57 horological complications.[17][18]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacheron_Constantin

https://www.theceomagazine.com/busin...on-constantin/

https://www.hautehorlogerie.org/en/b...on-constantin/

[Luther89]

Originally Posted by james.l

Because of the history and their complicated watches the used to make.

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That seems a very vague answer. Do they make more complicated watches than anyone else. Have they done something so amazingly groundbreaking such as invest the first waterproof mechanical watch or the first watch to ‘land on the moon’?

[Brew]

It's that big cross on their dials.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by beshannon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacheron_Constantin

https://www.theceomagazine.com/busin...on-constantin/

https://www.hautehorlogerie.org/en/b...on-constantin/

That pretty much answers the question

[beshannon]

Originally Posted by Luther89

That seems a very vague answer. Do they make more complicated watches than anyone else. Have they done something so amazingly groundbreaking such as invent the first waterproof mechanical watch or the first watch to ‘land on the moon’?

Vacheron Constantin is regarded by many watch aficionados as a pioneer in the precise manufacture of mechanical watch movements.

https://watchtime-shop.com/watchtime...ron-constantin

Originally Posted by brandrea

That pretty much answers the question

Thanks, I tried

[Luther89]

Originally Posted by brandrea

That pretty much answers the question

Not really. Only the last point is particularly impressive.

[beshannon]

Originally Posted by Luther89

Not really. Only the last point is particularly impressive.

Ok good luck then

[Luther89]

Originally Posted by beshannon

Ok good luck then

Not hating on them, just pointing out that it’s really the only thing that other brands cannot boast.

[TswaneNguni]

Who knows .

[faimag]

Why not?

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by Luther89

Not hating on them, just pointing out that it’s really the only thing that other brands cannot boast.

Did you take the time to read the links. Pretty self explanatory.

[finestdealer]

Who knows ? Tho

[Verdi]

really, you don't understand?!
did you google/read about VC and their watches?

Have a look at their “Métiers d’Art Les Masques” collection:
http://www.thewatchquote.com/Vachero...09-No_7137.htm


Current Métiers d’Art collection:
https://www.vacheron-constantin.com/...art.html#tab=0

forget 'bout it!

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by Luther89

Not really. Only the last point is particularly impressive.

Let me try with some Habiokee help.


https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/wh...-the-big-three

[Juan Luis]

Vacheron is tops along with Patek, in my opinion. But, I would switch Jaeger in, and Audemars, I mean Royal Oak, out!

[trfChris]

Why is this thread in the Rolex section?

[othertbone]

Originally Posted by Luther89

I’d like to know why they are considered part of the holy trinity? I personally don’t understand it.

Thanks

Haha yep a dog in the holy trinity. I guess part of the criteria wasn't desirability!

[Verdi]

Originally Posted by Juan Luis

Vacheron is tops along with Patek, in my opinion. But, I would switch Jaeger in, and Audemars, I mean Royal Oak, out!

AP became a one-trick pony in the last 2 decades. All they sell and market is RO and the thousand variations of the model.
RO became the fancier Hublot, no offence to anyone.



I would probably put Lange next to VC and Patek nowadays.

[Syed117]

Originally Posted by othertbone

Haha yep a dog in the holy trinity. I guess part of the criteria wasn't desirability!

Another fantastic post. Keep it up!

[Juan Luis]

Originally Posted by Verdi

AP became a one-trick pony in the last 2 decades. All they sell and market is RO and the thousand variations of the model.
RO became the fancier Hublot, no offence to anyone.



I would probably put Lange next to VC and Patek nowadays.

I would too! But, I guess the fairly recent (in watch brand history), revival of Lange differs from other brands in the sense that they don't have holes or pauses in their history, so to speak.

[tudorbaja27]

Originally Posted by Brew

It's that big cross on their dials.

Exactly.

Easy enough to understand

[Mr.Rolex1]

Originally Posted by trfchris

why is this thread in the rolex section?

+1

[007_Omega]

Originally Posted by Luther89

That seems a very vague answer. Do they make more complicated watches than anyone else. Have they done something so amazingly groundbreaking such as invest the first waterproof mechanical watch or the first watch to ‘land on the moon’?

I'm sure Mercedes has a lot more historical innovation than Ferrari, Lamborghini, Aston Martin, etc..but Mercedes isn't the top of the luxury food chain.

The holy trinity has to do with the level of finishing on the watch and grand complications. History plays a huge part as well because Lange from a modern standpoint should oust Vacheron and AP for a spot. Though I've heard people argue that the holy trinity refers to Swiss manufacturers which would knock Lange out of contention.

What hurts Vacheron is that they are not independently owned and have had multiple changes in ownership, including an Arab billionaire. They have also not picked up a mainstream celebrity following which hurts their wide appeal. People rap about Patek and AP but Vacheron is a niche of a niche. Both Patek and AP have had recent surges in mainstream popularity due to pop culture. It wasn't that hard to get a 5711 or Jumbo a few years ago.

[roxobox]

Originally Posted by Verdi

AP became a one-trick pony in the last 2 decades. All they sell and market is RO and the thousand variations of the model.
RO became the fancier Hublot, no offence to anyone.



I would probably put Lange next to VC and Patek nowadays.

From a design language sure the RO octagonal shape is pretty ubiquitous across their line.

They have the "concept" series, minute repeaters, the worlds thinnest perpetual calendar (the RD2) among other grande complications.

Just because they have a less diverse design language doesn't mean they are disqualified. They have a history of amazing movements, complications and "firsts" throughout horology.

Bulgari currently holds several world records for their "thinnest" movements all made in-house some of which are incredible engineering even beyond what some of the holy trinity have accomplished but no one would say Bulgari is part of the holy trinity, they're very very new to that game.

It's not just about a watch case shape. It's about history, contributions to horology and a few other factors like being independent and family owned (AP).

[Luther89]

Originally Posted by 007_Omega

I'm sure Mercedes has a lot more historical innovation than Ferrari, Lamborghini, Aston Martin, etc..but Mercedes isn't the top of the luxury food chain.

The holy trinity has to do with the level of finishing on the watch and grand complications. History plays a huge part as well because Lange from a modern standpoint should oust Vacheron and AP for a spot. Though I've heard people argue that the holy trinity refers to Swiss manufacturers which would knock Lange out of contention.

What hurts Vacheron is that they are not independently owned and have had multiple changes in ownership, including an Arab billionaire. They have also not picked up a mainstream celebrity following which hurts their wide appeal. People rap about Patek and AP but Vacheron is a niche of a niche. Both Patek and AP have had recent surges in mainstream popularity due to pop culture. It wasn't that hard to get a 5711 or Jumbo a few years ago.

No one raps about VC because they’re not popular - why is Rolex considered possibly THE watch brand? Because they are WANTED (whether people agree with it or not). VC is not wanted by many at all

[kieselguhr]

Originally Posted by Luther89

No one raps about VC because they’re not popular - why is Rolex considered possibly THE watch brand? Because they are WANTED (whether people agree with it or not). VC is not wanted by many at all

Ohh? Is that so. You have sales numbers to back this up do you


AOW

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by Luther89

No one raps about VC because they’re not popular - why is Rolex considered possibly THE watch brand? Because they are WANTED (whether people agree with it or not). VC is not wanted by many at all

Ah, I knew there's a rap compatibility component to this.