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10 January 2018, 06:02 AM | #1 |
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PAM 233 vs PAM 312
So i've owned a 312 in the past and enjoyed it for quite some time. When it came time to sell it, I had decided it was a little too tall for my liking. I wore it in rotation with a 000. Both were sold and i went big with a 422 and a 305.
Now I'm back to wanting a 44 again and I'm considering a 233 or a 1088. I'm leaning towards the more classic look of the 233, but I'm hesitating somewhat because of the 1950's case. How different does it wear and feel on the wrist than a 312? One is manual vs automatic, domed crystal vs regular. Any opinions are welcomed... I don't want to regret a 233. The 88 has always been a favorite and the luminor case sits nicely on the writst. helppppppppppppp
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10 January 2018, 06:15 AM | #2 |
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The 233 has a 1950 case, but it's a manual, so it's thinner. Best to try one on, but I've only read that it wears quite well. It's a Panerai staple and you can't go wrong.
The 88 also happens to be an all-time favorite of mine, so you've got a hard (but enviable) choice. I'd say, all things being equal and if funds aren't an issue, go 233, unless you simply prefer the 88. |
10 January 2018, 07:06 AM | #3 |
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As Cru said, go try them on see which ever fits best on your wrist, if I was going to buy I’ll be the Pam 233 it’s one of the best ones out there.
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10 January 2018, 09:15 AM | #4 |
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233 def wears less tall than 312. 233 has better balance, better looks, better mov’t, better watch. :)
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10 January 2018, 11:33 AM | #5 |
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233 & 312 have the same 1950 case but the 312 with the p9000 movement sits a bit taller on the wrist.
try then on then decide. also find an 88 instead of an 1088....good luck
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10 January 2018, 02:22 PM | #6 |
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For me I would definitely go 233 as that model oozes OFFICINE PANERAI lol
The 88 or 1088 is a bit busy to me. Sent from my A1601 using Tapatalk |
10 January 2018, 03:26 PM | #7 |
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My 737 has the domed crystal a la 233 and is also a manual wind and seems to wear much smaller than my other two. Try them both as others have said but the 233 is an icon.
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233 all the way. Its a classic.
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Pics anyone ? Can’t make a decision without pics ...
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11 January 2018, 01:24 AM | #10 |
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Thanks for all the replies. I also was told by an ad that the 233 is now discontinued officially. Is that true?! Maybe values go up as they become less available?!
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My other issue is that the 233 I’m looking at is not local and I can’t try it on... :( 1088 I can try and have tried in the past.
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233 sits significantly lower than 312. I chose 233 over 270 because of that...
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Apart from that discontinuing the 233 could be commercial suicide.
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Well I was told by a well respected AD that there’s one left at Panerai and to order it quickly. Easy to find out for sure with a call to Panerai, but why would he lie to me like that and risk his reputation? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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I have not heard if it's been disco'ed or not, although if so buying it used will still be an option. As for your question, I have been between a 88, 312, and 233 in the past and the 233 is the winner hands down for me. The 1950 case, power reserve, and that sexy domed glass... |
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233 gets my vote.
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Of the 233 vs 88,I'd pick 233 any days,it's a classic that embodies the Pam DNA
Maybe pam is giving 233 the due treatment,with double digit WR,snap back and spring bar.... If you think 88 is comfy,you gotta try the older 2893 based pams (23,29,63) personally I find 23 to be the comfiest SS gmt auto pam I've tried |
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I’m going to go against the grain here and suggest you get the 88 since you already know you like it. I’ve owned the 233 dot dial several times and it just didn’t sing to me. I think it’s a fantastic watch and love all the complications but I just prefer the regular Luminor case in 44mm.
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What about the 1312?
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Not a fan... had a 312 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Love your gray strap! I have the Gunny grey
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It certainly would make a nice duo, however, I think I'm done with 47's for a while. I've got the 305 listed FS right now. :(
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Can anyone tell me if the numbering on the 1312 has changed from white (like the 233 still has) to a yellowish colour recently? When I look at older models of the 312 they have a lovely white colouring on the numbers and markers compared to what I have seen on the Panerai web for the new model. Thanks
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I can't answer your question. Maybe call one of the boutiques and get them to take a pic and then text it to you?
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You pull the trigger on anything yet?
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I don't own the 233, but it wears almost unlike any other 44mm Panerai that I have tried on. I really can't describe it; it's different than other 44mm 1950 cases. It's a thinner case, has depth to it, wears smaller, but has the domed crystal. It just has a unique look that can't be summed up in pictures. At a glance it seems similar to the 312/1312, but when you see it in person, you'll know instantly what I mean.
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get the 233. The "dot" is the best version but you would have to get it used. Like others said the DOME crystal is really special and very unique on a 44mm luminor. the 1950 brushed case has more sleek lines vs. the betrani case. manual case will sit lower on the wrist and the 233 looks great with many different straps from gators to ammos and can be dressed up and down.
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233 !!
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