Is The AP Royal Oak movement a Chronometer?

[TimingIsEverything]

Sorry for the stupid question, but I may be purchasing a 41mm AP Royal Oak. Are the movements COSC certified?

[dcash0615]

It’s my understanding that they are not.

[TimingIsEverything]

Originally Posted by dcash0615

It’s my understanding that they are not.

Wow, I’m actually quite surprised considering the price.

[wisguy]

Originally Posted by TimingIsEverything

Wow, I’m actually quite surprised considering the price.

Price has nothing to do with a Chronometer, many cheap movements are, look at everything Breitling that use ETA movements.

Don't worry too much about it.

[dcash0615]

Originally Posted by wisguy

Price has nothing to do with a Chronometer, many cheap movements are, look at everything Breitling that use ETA movements.

Don't worry too much about it.

Exactly what I was thinking. You beat me to it in responding.

[daveo5]

No. AP movements are not chronometer rated. AP does not need to play the cosc game. With AP you get meticulously designed and engineered and finished movement.


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[Burlington]

Originally Posted by daveo5

No. AP movements are not chronometer rated. AP does not need to play the cosc game. With AP you get meticulously designed and engineered and finished movement.


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This ^

The movements can easily meet COSC standards if so desired though, but they aren’t certified as they have no need to be.

[SMD]

Originally Posted by TimingIsEverything

Wow, I’m actually quite surprised considering the price.

Psst, don't tell anyone, but neither are Pateks.

[TimingIsEverything]

Thanks for the replies, all! Much appreciated! After reading your points and other topics on the Internet, I see they really don’t need to go through the process of COSC testing.

I also see that they don’t even do the “Geneva seal” which Vacheron and Patek do. However, AP is considered a “Holy Trinity” brand. Anyone know why no Genève Seal?

[singe89]

Originally Posted by TimingIsEverything

I also see that they don’t even do the “Geneva seal” which Vacheron and Patek do. However, AP is considered a “Holy Trinity” brand. Anyone know why no Genève Seal?

Because AP is in Le Brassus in the Vallée de Joux not Geneva.

I wouldn’t get too caught up on the Geneva seal. Think Patek dropped it for their own cert. Also there are many brands that finish to a much higher standard than the Geneva seal.

[AK797]

All these brands and watches can be regulated to within tiny margins, AP SC would probably do the work faster and smoother than Rolex and they than PP.

[wisguy]

Originally Posted by TimingIsEverything

Thanks for the replies, all! Much appreciated! After reading your points and other topics on the Internet, I see they really don’t need to go through the process of COSC testing.

I also see that they don’t even do the “Geneva seal” which Vacheron and Patek do. However, AP is considered a “Holy Trinity” brand. Anyone know why no Genève Seal?

Patek stopped using the Geneva seal, no use.

Those certifications I guess are only useful to companies that are trying to prove something.

To be honest I don't know why Rolex still uses COSC, they're spec is beyond theirs and they could unclutter dials by removing all that text (most likely save a little money as well)

[TimingIsEverything]

Originally Posted by wisguy

Patek stopped using the Geneva seal, no use.

Those certifications I guess are only useful to companies that are trying to prove something.

To be honest I don't know why Rolex still uses COSC, they're spec is beyond theirs and they could unclutter dials by removing all that text (most likely save a little money as well)

Understood. It must be a selling point.