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12 November 2018, 03:09 AM | #31 |
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There are foto forensics websites. You can upload photo and go through steps to determine what was altered in the photo. Seems to be an actual investigative tool.
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That's sort of a known technique. You pull the crown out to stop the watch. This keeps you from ending up with a blurred sweep hand, since shots like that usually require a smaller aperture and long shutter speeds.
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When is the Heuer up? Is it with Philips because I can't find a price. https://www.christies.com/lotfinder/...5-02fdc79c0c2a https://live.phillips.com/live-auction/1-157TEJ |
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Except the crown isn't out in this picture. The pusher image was shopped onto this image. Christie's needs to be in the Watchout! forum. This is clearly a scam auction.
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Sorry, I didn't explain. But, you pull the crown out, take the shot, and then in photoshop, you "move" the crown back to the closed position. They just didn't edit the reflection.
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Sort of like the reaction one has after opening the wrapper on a Big Mac. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
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Outright fraud.
This does not surprise me one bit, however. The images look like artist renderings not photos. And after going to auctions for 30 plus years there is one Axiom that I have always found to be true. Auctioneers that charge a buyer's Premium cannot be trusted. |
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Well Christie’s held their watch auction overnight and the Photoshopped Rolexes smashed estimates so I guess crime does pay
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I could be mistaken, but I’m pretty sure Valjoux movements back then didn’t hack. Pull the crown and they keep running.
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Agreed. It’s not even debatable, IMO.
There is too much shady business going on now with vintage watches, particularly Rolex that I have lost all interest. Not something I want to be a part of. I sold my vintage watches a while back, made a little bit of money, and never looked back. |
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I was thinking that too. Maybe they pulled the crown out, out of habit? But, we'd probably see at least some blur to the sweep hand. Unless the watch was completely unwound. |
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The hand movement can be frozen if the shutter speed is relatively high, which would be the case as a lightbox is typically used. |
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Stop making excuses for them. The problem is they faked the picture. Christie's can afford a photographer that can take great images for their catalog. Instead they cobbled together a digital franken fake picture to fool buyers. |
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Not making excuses. Only explaining a well known photography technique. Which doesn't alter the watch in anyway. The rest of the stuff, for sure, is manipulation of the actual condition of the watch.
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I would not do business with anyone who digitally modifies images to alter the perception of an item’s actual state, condition, or quality. It is fraud. And anyone so ethically challenged to not recognize it as fraud can’t be trusted with my money. |
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And if you're insinuating that I am a fraudulent person I'd have to strongly disagree. I was strongly against the actual photo-shopping of the condition of the watches here from the beginning in case you didn't notice. |
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Posting a pristine picture and requiring a potential buyer to ask for the actual pictures is misleading at best.
I would not want to do business with a company that practices this. |
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Photoshopping away the blemishes to make the watch appear much cleaner than it actually is seems to fit this definition quite neatly. The pusher reflection is but one of several clues that the image is highly modified. I can see no reasonable defense of this practice for a sale to be bid on by online buyers (sight unseen). |
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Another sad state of affairs.
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Just 10-15 years ago, both Christie's and Sotheby's had a lock on the vintage watch market acting as the oldest and best authority to value and liquidate collectible watches. Those days are long over today as they now struggle to compete with the Internet which has made buying and selling faster, better and easier. For example, folks looking to sell a vintage Rolex Daytona can find all the pricing and information they need online to value it. And there are dozens of legitimate dealers online that will purchase the watch outright for cash at full value eliminating the need to wait 6 months for an auction process. And their are too many risks associated with the auction route: the item may not sell, the estimates are almost always way below market values, and the reserves are almost never at what a dealer would pay cash on the spot.
Most sellers can get more just selling it to a dealer. But moreover, the auction houses are struggling to survive today with an outdated, overweight business model that no longer works. Its true here in Europe as well. So i guess i am not that surprised at this allegation. Also, the serious collectors today don't want a watch that has been shopped or auctioned. At today's prices, they have a right to be picky - choosing instead, often times, to buy a fresh barn find privately. |
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That crown on the Daytona is DEFINITELY airbrushed.
The case side looks dodgy too. Sent from my Moto G (5) using Tapatalk
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Look at the crud and rust deposits on that pusher stem - Gross!
The condition of that doesn't match the rest of the watch case at all. Sent from my Moto G (5) using Tapatalk
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