What is REALLY considered VINTAGE as in TIMELINE to where it starts and end.

[Hawaii2017]

Yeah there is so many newbie's and know how's here in this ROLEX Forum.

Am sure there are a lot of die hard fans and or knowledgeable folks here that has collected and or have come across a one off model that is a must have/keeper to put in the bank or roll to sell.

What certain year for certain Rollie models that is keeper to have.

Please post pictures and share a short liner stories of what you might have or come across with.

Peace!

[roh123]

For rolexes and tudors I am a firm believer in plastic crystals and four digit references. The discussion is of course endless but this is for me. Five digit references are just old new watches. Even when they have the occasional non-sapphire crystal.

Going by year is just difficult as I will never consider a 16610 sub a vintage rolex. Please note that this is how I see vintage rolexes. Not vintage in general.

[Hawaii2017]

Originally Posted by roh123

For rolexes and tudors I am a firm believer in plastic crystals and four digit references. The discussion is of course endless but this is for me. Five digit references are just old new watches. Even when they have the occasional non-sapphire crystal.

Yes my next watch exactly in that reference.

Cheers!

[Wesley Crusher]

Originally Posted by roh123

For rolexes and tudors I am a firm believer in plastic crystals and four digit references. The discussion is of course endless but this is for me. Five digit references are just old new watches. Even when they have the occasional non-sapphire crystal.

Going by year is just difficult as I will never consider a 16610 sub a vintage rolex. Please note that this is how I see vintage rolexes. Not vintage in general.

So by your logic, an early plexi 16750 is not vintage, but a late plexi 5513 is vintage even though the 16750 is older?

[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by roh123

For rolexes and tudors I am a firm believer in plastic crystals and four digit references. The discussion is of course endless but this is for me. Five digit references are just old new watches. Even when they have the occasional non-sapphire crystal.

Going by year is just difficult as I will never consider a 16610 sub a vintage rolex. Please note that this is how I see vintage rolexes. Not vintage in general.

How about a 1977 (40 year old) Oysterquartz 17000 with sapphire crystal?

[roh123]

Originally Posted by Wesley Crusher

So by your logic, an early plexi 16750 is not vintage, but a late plexi 5513 is vintage even though the 16750 is older?

You will always have exceptions. Sure.. Matte 16750 does have vintage charm while a wg 16750 or 5513 does not. It's not about age for me. I'm sure most will understand what I meant and I am certain a lot of people wont agree. That is perfectly fine.

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

How about a 1977 (40 year old) Oysterquartz 17000 with sapphire crystal?

As said; you will have exceptions. I don't see ie five digit day-dates as vintage. They feel like they could have come out of the factory yesterday. And still they are 35+ years old. And to answer your question OQs just feel old to me. Not very vintage eventhough I am sure most would call it that.

[tomilg]

A very subjective "can of worms" has just been opened!

[Kingface66]

Here we go again.....

[JP Chestnut]

Originally Posted by roh123

I don't see ie five digit day-dates as vintage. They feel like they could have come out of the factory yesterday. And still they are 35+ years old. And to answer your question OQs just feel old to me. Not very vintage eventhough I am sure most would call it that.

I wish Rolex factory still produced watches like that. Now it's 15% bigger and 1000% shinier.

[springer]

Originally Posted by tomilg

A very subjective "can of worms" has just been opened!

This "can of worms" has been opened about 50 times since I have been around TRF. Seems the "is my watch vintage" or "what is vintage" is a recurring thread topic. I don't know what that means. The search function works very well on this forum if anyone were to take the time and try it.

[springer]

Originally Posted by Kingface66

Here we go again.....

Roger that!!!

[traf]

Can we make a sticky on the topic? Sheesh 🤦🏻*♂️


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[BristolCavendish]

Originally Posted by roh123

For rolexes and tudors I am a firm believer in plastic crystals and four digit references. The discussion is of course endless but this is for me. Five digit references are just old new watches. Even when they have the occasional non-sapphire crystal.

Going by year is just difficult as I will never consider a 16610 sub a vintage rolex. Please note that this is how I see vintage rolexes. Not vintage in general.

Agreed. 4 digit/acrylic crystal (or older BBs).

[springer]

Vintage....read all about the various opinions defining vintage - found right here on TRF.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...74#post7782974

[chessebj]

In my experience, you know it when you have a "vintage" watch. There is nothing wrong with merely having an "old" watch: it'll be vintage soon enough!

[CPRWATCH]

Just replied on a very similar thread with,

Great threads and still non the wiser on what is Vintage or isn't . And as there are so many mixed opinions on what's classed as Vintage ,then maybe there could be a Vintage adjudication panel where you can state your watches virtues & have it classed as Vintage or not by the learned panel .I am happy to join the Panel & maybe we could convene on some exotic island in a secret hideaway for maybe two or three months a year ,whilst considering our verdict .

[Hawaii2017]

Originally Posted by tomilg

A very subjective "can of worms" has just been opened!

Sorry folks about this!
I guess the real deal here is the MODEL versus AGE ???

Some don't care about the age but the model : One off/out of production/custom/limited edition etc.

Some with age but not the model : New Old Stock/Out of production

Could anything over 20 years be vintage then?

[springer]

Originally Posted by Hawaii2017

Sorry folks about this!
I guess the real deal here is the MODEL versus AGE ???

Some don't care about the age but the model : One off/out of production/custom/limited edition etc.

Some with age but not the model : New Old Stock/Out of production

Could anything over 20 years be vintage then?

In answer to your question, I don't believe any collector considers a 20-year-old Rolex vintage. So in answer to your question, no, 20-years-old is not considered vintage. A Submariner 14060, 16610 or GMT II from the 1990s is not vintage, maybe classic but not vintage.

[JP Chestnut]

Originally Posted by springer

In answer to your question, I don't believe any collector considers a 20-year-old Rolex vintage. So in answer to your question, no, 20-years-old is not considered vintage. A Submariner 14060, 16610 or GMT II from the 1990s is not vintage, maybe classic but not vintage.

The less clear cut different is late 16800 vs 168000 vs early 16100.

[Hawaii2017]

Originally Posted by springer

In answer to your question, I don't believe any collector considers a 20-year-old Rolex vintage. So in answer to your question, no, 20-years-old is not considered vintage. A Submariner 14060, 16610 or GMT II from the 1990s is not vintage, maybe classic but not vintage.

I can somehow agree to this point.
As with guitars and such....similar effect comes into play as the 50's - 60's Gibson Les Paul would be considered vintage......the 70's which is the Norlin era would be considered next in line after all the earlier models have been kept/sold etc.

But Rolex is Rolex and Gibson is Gibson and or Martin.

[springer]

Originally Posted by Hawaii2017

I can somehow agree to this point.
As with guitars and such....similar effect comes into play as the 50's - 60's Gibson Les Paul would be considered vintage......the 70's which is the Norlin era would be considered next in line after all the earlier models have been kept/sold etc.

But Rolex is Rolex and Gibson is Gibson and or Martin.

Take some time and read the "what is vintage threads" I posted in your thread. One common factor is that there are various opinions from collectors on what constitutes vintage. Very subjective. In the end, does it really matter what one considers vintage. Again, it is all subjective. Because you, I or anyone calls something vintage doesn't matter since it is just an opinion.

And, back at you too:du mmy::banghead :

[roh123]

If you have to ask; most people will probably not call it what you want.

[Hawaii2017]

@ springer

Thank you! I will surely have some time to spare in reading the threads you have shared. It surely is all subjective to what you think is VINTAGE and how you perceive to believe what is considered an aged ROLEX watch.

Cheers!

[Mick P]

Chaps

My oldest Rolex is 37 years and I just regard it as a 37 year old Rolex and nothing more.

Regards

Mick

[Hawaii2017]

Originally Posted by Mick P

Chaps

My oldest Rolex is 37 years and I just regard it as a 37 year old Rolex and nothing more.

Regards

Mick

True as I can look at mine that way as well, come to think of it.

[actionkwj]

Just call your watch by its manufacture date and you don't have to worry about it No one can argue your watch was made in 1982... if it was made in 1982. Problem solved End of story!


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[Vincent65]

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