I support Patek's direction 100%

[Socal to az]

I don't want 33 mm men's watches

I don't want text that I need a magnifying glass to read

I don't want dated dials and numerals

I don't want watches so thin that I can use them to slice meat


Stop with the "I hate the new Patek" posts. We get it. You want small thin watches from the 70s. Some of us like the newer modern pieces.


Bring on my 5522!!!!

Carry on.

[tyler1980]

i like variety. Some big, some small, some complicated, some simple.

there is something for everyone's taste, you would think.

[RussW]

Agree. I've supported Patek's current direction for quite some time now. There are many, many pieces in the current collection I would love to own. I couldn't have said that 20 years ago.

[The B]

If it was not for the direction taken in the last 12 years (or so) I certainly would not be into Patek as deep as I am.

[Tony64]

Originally Posted by Socal to az

I don't want 33 mm men's watches

I don't want text that I need a magnifying glass to read

I don't want dated dials and numerals

I don't want watches so thin that I can use them to slice meat


Stop with the "I hate the new Patek" posts. We get it. You want small thin watches from the 70s. Some of us like the newer modern pieces.


Bring on my 5522!!!!

Carry on.

Are these the only two choices? 33mm meat slicers or modern monstrosities?

How about some discreet 36-37mm properly proportioned dress watches with a movement you're not so ashamed to use a sapphire caseback?

Refinement and discretion are what first brought me to Patek. The current lineup leaves me uninspired.

Love the brand. Not in love with the direction. Time will tell.

[KarlS]

I only came into the brand recently when it appeared to be less like my grandfathers watch choice. I like the direction but saying that there is something for everyone and I can't say tgat about many brands.

[Tony64]

Originally Posted by KarlS

I only came into the brand recently when it appeared to be less like my grandfathers watch choice. I like the direction but saying that there is something for everyone and I can't say tgat about many brands.

Funny, cuz that's precisely what I liked about the brand! (My grandfather had great taste!)

Different strokes, different folks.

[KarlS]

Nice Martin and a great hotel as well

[thomaspp]

I like both, the old and the new. I might be in the minority here but I think dressier watches (ACs, PCs, calatravas, etc) should be under 40mm while sports watches are fine at 40mm/42mm. My collection is now primarily vintage rolex so going from those to patek gives me a different perspective I guess.

Some of the most iconic patek are on the smaller side (1518, 2499, 3970, 5004, 2526 and 3940) but turning up your nose based on size alone is a big mistake if you ask me.

[martinr]

For me the size issue is about what looks best on me. Even though I have a smaller wrist larger watches look better on me in my opinion, it might have to do with hand size. I like all the watches Thomas mentioned but I used to wear a 36mm watch for years and it started looking really small compared to what was popular. I got into Rolex 40mm and then gravitated to AP and Patek. Now maybe a 39mm AP Jumbo would be as small as I'd want to wear.

[thomaspp]

Originally Posted by martinr

For me the size issue is about what looks best on me. Even though I have a smaller wrist larger watches look better on me in my opinion, it might have to do with hand size. I like all the watches Thomas mentioned but I used to wear a 36mm watch for years and it started looking really small compared to what was popular. I got into Rolex 40mm and then gravitated to AP and Patek. Now maybe a 39mm AP Jumbo would be as small as I'd want to wear.

i hear you. I have small wrists admittedly. You know what they say? Small wrist, big.... just kidding.

be well

[PJ S]

Originally Posted by thomaspp

... I have small wrists admittedly. You know what they say? Small wrist, big....

wishlist?

[luvan12]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

i like variety. Some big, some small, some complicated, some simple.

there is something for everyone's taste, you would think.

Agreed. Variety is key in life.

[WatchingAustin]

Funny hearing all of the biases. My grandpa couldn't afford a watch, let alone a Patek. Guess I am lucky to not have formed that bias.

IMO I prefer the smaller watches as I feel it looks better on my wrist due to my small wrist. I assume you like the larger watches for the same reason. I'm glad Patek has both.

[AK797]

I wouldn't wear a watch much under 40mm any more myself, but I think of Patek as a smaller, slimmer watch brand than say AP, Lange and RM generally where I like them to fill out my wrists more. All of them have a place in anyone's collection, variety is life's spice.

[carava501]

Originally Posted by Socal to az

I don't want 33 mm men's watches

I don't want text that I need a magnifying glass to read

I don't want dated dials and numerals

I don't want watches so thin that I can use them to slice meat


Stop with the "I hate the new Patek" posts. We get it. You want small thin watches from the 70s. Some of us like the newer modern pieces.


Bring on my 5522!!!!

Carry on.

I get what your trying to say but all watches matter and you should learn to love all types of watches.

[Tay821]

Originally Posted by martinr

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That's awesome. Lucky you're able to do that!

[Tony64]

Originally Posted by Tay821

That's awesome. Lucky you're able to do that!

I'm not sure how much of it is luck, as it is the first 4 words of the invite.

[Vipes]

Martin, take lot of pics! Enjoy the trip.

[Tay821]

Originally Posted by Tony64

I'm not sure how much of it is luck, as it is the first 4 words of the invite.

I think everyone knows what I meant there


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[Hollister]

Originally Posted by Tony64

Are these the only two choices? 33mm meat slicers or modern monstrosities?

How about some discreet 36-37mm properly proportioned dress watches with a movement you're not so ashamed to use a sapphire caseback?

Refinement and discretion are what first brought me to Patek. The current lineup leaves me uninspired.

Love the brand. Not in love with the direction. Time will tell.

Agreed, also rumours of QC issues and very, very long service turnaround. I have a 39mm and a 40mm, plenty big enough for my eyesight.

Are Patek aiming to take on the Hublot market, I wonder? Cheers.

[Arclight]

Originally Posted by Hollister

Are Patek aiming to take on the Hublot market, I wonder? Cheers.

LOL! God I hope not!

[dmash]

Surely you guys who are saying you wouldn't want to wear under 40mm are referring to strictly sport watches? IMO 37-38mm is the sweet spot for leather strapped dress pieces and 40-42mm is the best for metal or rubber strapped sport pieces. A 40mm Calatrava would look absolutely horrible.

and while on this subject, why is PP releasing 42mm pieces but still thinks the small 215 is sufficient in the Calatrava? Seems like they should be upgrading this and adding a see through caseback, or are they going to hold on to historic value with the Calatrava range?

[PJ S]

^
You speak as though everyone has the same mindset, wrist shape and size, and preferences.
What used to be the done thing many decades ago doesn’t mean it must remain ever so.
If I wore anything smaller than 40mm, especially on a narrow leather strap, it’d be like a rhinoceros with a pimple on its arse!

[RussW]

Originally Posted by dmash

Surely you guys who are saying you wouldn't want to wear under 40mm are referring to strictly sport watches? IMO 37-38mm is the sweet spot for leather strapped dress pieces and 40-42mm is the best for metal or rubber strapped sport pieces. A 40mm Calatrava would look absolutely horrible.

Agree that certain watches work best at particular sizes. For me, upsizing the Royal Oak and Royal Oak chrono didn't work as well as the 39mm size, as an example. I agree with you on the Calatrava (excluding the 5524 and 5522 which aren't really calatravas). I think the key for Patek is designing watches that do work at 40mm and above, but they don't have to be sport watches. The 5905 is I think a great recent example, along with the pilot watches.

[Starguru]

Originally Posted by jon_jon

Enjoy the factory tour, Martin! It is quite an experience

How do you arrange one of those trips? What do they run?


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[ap1]

Beat me to it. I wanted to hang with Martin.

[jon_jon]

Originally Posted by Starguru

How do you arrange one of those trips? What do they run?


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The factory tour is at the invitation of your Patek AD. It is an all expense paid trip to Geneva, with business class flights to/from Geneva, a stay at the Mandarin Oriental Hotel, a tour of the factory and museum as well as an opportunity to listen to minute repeaters and handle the Grandmaster Chime. Of course a strong relationship with an AD is usually a pre-requisite for being invited to the factory tour, although there are always exceptions.

Some smaller ADs with a limited number of collectors will also invite spouses. The large ADs usually are able to only accommodate the watch collectors.

[Hairdude1]

Originally Posted by Socal to az

I don't want 33 mm men's watches

I don't want text that I need a magnifying glass to read

I don't want dated dials and numerals

I don't want watches so thin that I can use them to slice meat


Stop with the "I hate the new Patek" posts. We get it. You want small thin watches from the 70s. Some of us like the newer modern pieces.


Bring on my 5522!!!!

Carry on.

[Starguru]

Originally Posted by jon_jon

The factory tour is at the invitation of your Patek AD. It is an all expense paid trip to Geneva, with business class flights to/from Geneva, a stay at the Mandarin Oriental Hotel, a tour of the factory and museum as well as an opportunity to listen to minute repeaters and handle the Grandmaster Chime. Of course a strong relationship with an AD is usually a pre-requisite for being invited to the factory tour, although there are always exceptions.

Some smaller ADs with a limited number of collectors will also invite spouses. The large ADs usually are able to only accommodate the watch collectors.

Thank you for the reply. I wonder is patek paying for this or is the AD?

I have a relationship with an AD and want so much to buy a Patek, but I can't find a piece that speaks to me. The 5170 comes close but the limit of 30 minutes for the chronograph bothers me. Maybe if Patek produced something like a 5160 but thinner, perhaps by having a manual wind(eliminating the thickness that comes with the rotor)....


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