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Old 15 November 2018, 08:00 AM   #91
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Personally though, I like Tudor's recent designs the most, they have stuck to a more tool watch like design, whereas the other two appears to be going for more a jewel like design. Checked out a 2018 SMP 300 lately, and it is a very shiny watch.
Very well said.
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Old 15 November 2018, 08:06 AM   #92
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Nope. I'd rather have a Black Bay than a lot of Omegas though, and I bet Omega aren't too happy about them. Nor are Breitling or Panerai etc I'd guess. Particularly after this year's Basel World.
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Old 15 November 2018, 08:17 AM   #93
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I agree with the others: Omega is above Tudor, imo. I think the brand is closer to Rolex in regards to overall quality of workmanship and advances in design and technology, although I'd still give the overall nod to Rolex. The problem I have with Omega is the tendency toward ephemera: they change their designs too frequently and too drastically, with too many stylistic flourishes intended to grab attention, rather than stand the test of time. Also, they put out way too many LEs and variants of their core watches. However, for the designs they nail, they're a great brand.
This is the best summary I've read regarding Omega.

My guess is that Rolex's structure (as charity) and the fact that Rolex just simply doesn't need to try as hard has a lot to do with why they don't need to do what Omega does (as the Rolex AD's display counters show).
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Old 15 November 2018, 08:26 AM   #94
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Comparing Tudor and Omega is mad.

Omega have one of the best horological histories in the business. This is where Tudor cannot compete.

Even Rolex struggles horologically, Rolex just has too power a brand status in the luxury market. Omega arguably make watches just as well as Rolex, if not better.

But the power that the Rolex name has, the brand. That is something else, public perception of Rolex is just different...

It's not right, and you're kidding yourself if you think your Rolex is a better watch than the Omega. It objectively isn't.

Rolex marketing is just on point and has been for many many moons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UujLYCPZng - Check out this WF video :)
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Old 15 November 2018, 08:38 AM   #95
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Tudor on same level as omega?

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Comparing Tudor and Omega is mad.

Omega have one of the best horological histories in the business. This is where Tudor cannot compete.

Even Rolex struggles horologically, Rolex just has too power a brand status in the luxury market. Omega arguably make watches just as well as Rolex, if not better.

But the power that the Rolex name has, the brand. That is something else, public perception of Rolex is just different...

It's not right, and you're kidding yourself if you think your Rolex is a better watch than the Omega. It objectively isn't.

Rolex marketing is just on point and has been for many many moons.

Couldn’t agree more.

The Rolex marketing machine just has people hooked in a way that Omega hasn’t.

I hope that with all this shit that people are facing when trying to buy a Rolex sports model, they look at Omega as an alternative.

I truly believe that some Omega pieces are better than certain Rolex models.
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Old 15 November 2018, 08:45 AM   #96
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Omega is slightly on same level with Tudor. that slight difference is what makes Omega supreme here.
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Old 15 November 2018, 08:46 AM   #97
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All New Omega movements have a 15,000 guas anti magnetic protection too...
Even Rolex's anti-magnetic watch... the Milgaus only has 1,000 guas protection.

The 'problem' is summed up by this perfect quote on youtube.

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99.9 percent of people have literally zero idea of what makes a good watch. But nearly 100 percent of people know what a Rolex is. It's not just a watch, it's a watch for the rich and powerful. If you went to the poorest African village and asked what Coca Cola was they would tell you a drink. If you asked what a Rolex was they would tell you a watch. A watch worn by presidents and billionaires and dictators. It's a Rolex.
So you can spend 5,000 on a watch that 1 percent MIGHT know is a nice watch or 6,000 on a watch that EVERYONE will know is a nice watch. You might not personally want the baggage that having a rich mans watch gives you (douchebag, bragger, doesn't know how to spend his money) but there will always be a market for Rolex. It's the king, it's the "best" in most people's eyes and because of that it will sell forever.


I like Omega, my first real watch was the James Bond Goldeneye Omega Seamaster Quartz 41mm...
They will always hold a special place in my heart.

I like Rolex too...

But what put me off owning a Rolex for so long is a lot of the users / wearers. They think Rolex is something supremely special, and objectively they are not. But it does demonstrate how powerful the Rolex brand is. That is what you are buying when you buy a Rolex, like it or not.
Don't get me wrong there are some fantastic horological elements to Rolex. The reliability of their movements is fantastic. The service intervals etc etc. But Rolex are not game changers... they are very 'safe' watches... they don't push the boundaries. They always re-invent what has come before them.

Omega were once the king of the game for a reason, quartz crisis nearly killed them. They're still recovering now... that's why Rolex are the king now.
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Old 15 November 2018, 10:27 AM   #98
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Agree with the last few posts: Omega is a great watch brand with an amateur marketing department. They seem to be driving the train on the brand's direction (lots of LE's, odd brand ambassadors who are famous for being famous, constantly changing designs, etc.) and not the actual watch people.

Tudor may apply more slightly avant garde design principles than Rolex, but is guided by the steady hand of the company's overall marketing strategy.
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Old 15 November 2018, 12:05 PM   #99
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Agree with the last few posts: Omega is a great watch brand with an amateur marketing department. They seem to be driving the train on the brand's direction (lots of LE's, odd brand ambassadors who are famous for being famous, constantly changing designs, etc.) and not the actual watch people.

Tudor may apply more slightly avant garde design principles than Rolex, but is guided by the steady hand of the company's overall marketing strategy.


Maybe this is why Tudor is picking up steam. Makes sense.


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Old 15 November 2018, 12:16 PM   #100
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Tudor on same level as omega?

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All New Omega movements have a 15,000 guas anti magnetic protection too...
Even Rolex's anti-magnetic watch... the Milgaus only has 1,000 guas protection.

The 'problem' is summed up by this perfect quote on youtube.



I like Omega, my first real watch was the James Bond Goldeneye Omega Seamaster Quartz 41mm...
They will always hold a special place in my heart.

I like Rolex too...

But what put me off owning a Rolex for so long is a lot of the users / wearers. They think Rolex is something supremely special, and objectively they are not. But it does demonstrate how powerful the Rolex brand is. That is what you are buying when you buy a Rolex, like it or not.
Don't get me wrong there are some fantastic horological elements to Rolex. The reliability of their movements is fantastic. The service intervals etc etc. But Rolex are not game changers... they are very 'safe' watches... they don't push the boundaries. They always re-invent what has come before them.

Omega were once the king of the game for a reason, quartz crisis nearly killed them. They're still recovering now... that's why Rolex are the king now.


I agree with almost all of what you said. I used to wear only JLC and I wore a beautiful master compressor chronograph on bracelet for years. Never had anyone mention it until dinner one day when someone said I had a nice Michael Kors watch. I didn’t even know what to say when he compared my $12k watch to a $200 watch. I’ve worked very hard in life to own my own businesses and to get where I am today. Not bragging but it sucked getting my watch compared to a MK quartz. So I looked at other brands and i ended back at Rolex. Why? Because it’s a watch when people see it they take you more seriously. Whether or not people admit it or not it’s nice to get noticed for your hard work and being in a place in life where you can afford a nice watch/car/house etc. But here is the thing. I know JLC is miles above Rolex horoligicaly. Even the fit and finish was above anything I saw on a Rolex. They even tested the watch for 1000 hours before releasing it and put a 24k stamp on the back of there watches. But for all that it to most of the world was just a MK or something similar. Rolex though through marketing is the king. What people strive their whole lives for. Just one. But we on TRF are different. We collect them as a hobby. I’m not ashamed to say I bought my Rolex for 2 reasons. Doesn’t lose much value and everyone knows it’s a Rolex. Even if omega is better then Rolex to 90 percent of the world Rolex is king. So I guess a better question would have been is Tudor and omega on the same brand level in non wis people’s minds.


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Old 15 November 2018, 12:33 PM   #101
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Omega is in another level to Tudor.

Check out their new seamaster 300m. It’s more superior than Pelagos.
Respectfully disagree on that front.
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Old 15 November 2018, 02:02 PM   #102
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I think omega makes better watches horologically speaking. However, I have to echo what other have said here. Omega's movements are often too thick, the direction of the brand I question (trending towards fashion watches), the business model I question (exhausting amounts of LE's).

We live in a world that asks what have you done for me lately? And although I still think Omega makes a better watch, Tudor is answering that call lately.

I own both brands... But it's hard to compare them. I think the only fair comparison is comparing like price points. In which case I think it's closer than many think.

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Old 15 November 2018, 02:05 PM   #103
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Omega > Tudor

Tudor cases are more robust than Omega. Which in all fairness is a direct reflection of Rolexeses ethos.

Omega makes better, bands, bracelets, dials and movements. Which reflects the Swatch Group prestige brands ethos.

They’re both wonderful, and I own several from both makes.
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Old 15 November 2018, 02:20 PM   #104
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I’m sorry, but all omega watches are ugly. Tudor watches are much nicer.
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Old 15 November 2018, 03:56 PM   #105
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I don’t have an omega diver, but I do have a speedy and a black bay. I think you guys are nuts. The Tudor has much nicer finishing, bracelet, and keeps way better time. Maybe it’s just my model, but I find the speedy overvalued.

I’ve also looked st the 300 master and aqua terra gmt and find the same.
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Old 15 November 2018, 04:52 PM   #106
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Old 15 November 2018, 05:14 PM   #107
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If this is true I wonder Ho much this changes things. Yes like taking a crayon to the ins Lisa.


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Old 15 November 2018, 05:31 PM   #108
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Did the person who posted that provide more context for that receipt? Perhaps you could provide a link.
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I don’t have an omega diver, but I do have a speedy and a black bay. I think you guys are nuts. The Tudor has much nicer finishing, bracelet, and keeps way better time. Maybe it’s just my model, but I find the speedy overvalued.

I’ve also looked st the 300 master and aqua terra gmt and find the same.
Which model Speedmaster?
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Old 15 November 2018, 05:57 PM   #110
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I’m sorry, but all omega watches are ugly. Tudor watches are much nicer.

There you have it everyone.

Nothing more to be said... ??
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Did the person who posted that provide more context for that receipt? Perhaps you could provide a link.
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Link? Surely you can't expect us to hunt the entirety of WUS to find this one gem. I'd be interested in knowing the story behind this before jumping to conclusions about what it means.
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Old 15 November 2018, 06:53 PM   #113
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I’m sorry, but all omega watches are ugly. Tudor watches are much nicer.
agreed, Plus for the past 5,6 years Tudor is releasing some great watches.
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Old 15 November 2018, 07:04 PM   #114
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Did the person who posted that provide more context for that receipt? Perhaps you could provide a link.
This photo has circulated for years. Its generally posted to knock Omega, but I have no background. I imagine that more than one guy ever bought an Omega 1/2 link though and there should be more receipts around.
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Link? Surely you can't expect us to hunt the entirety of WUS to find this one gem. I'd be interested in knowing the story behind this before jumping to conclusions about what it means.
https://forums.watchuseek.com/f20/ge...a-1053699.html

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And what difference would say bracelet parts made in China how many of you guys have Iphones they are made in China.At one time Rolex bracelets were made in many parts of the world, as long as it's made to manufacturer spec what difference does it make.
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This photo has circulated for years. Its generally posted to knock Omega, but I have no background. I imagine that more than one guy ever bought an Omega 1/2 link though and there should be more receipts around.
Yeah, you would think. Both of the threads James linked to are pretty old. Although they do point out the 50% Rule, which I'd forgotten about. Based on that, it's not completely unthinkable that Omega might be outsourcing some parts, as unfortunate as that may be.

Am I naive for thinking that Rolex doesn't, since they are reputed to make (nearly) everything themselves? What about Tudor?
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Old 15 November 2018, 07:36 PM   #118
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The preconception of "Made in China" is also decades old now. China is manufacturing great items of very very high quality these days. I do ALOT of business from China and yes if you pay $2 you will get an item that is worth nothing and shoddy workmanship but if you pay luxury prices China can make items on par with any country in the world.

Surprising how many people's minds havent adapted to todays climate and economy.
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The preconception of "Made in China" is also decades old now. China is manufacturing great items of very very high quality these days. I do ALOT of business from China and yes if you pay $2 you will get an item that is worth nothing and shoddy workmanship but if you pay luxury prices China can make items on par with any country in the world.

Surprising how many people's minds havent adapted to todays climate and economy.
All well and good, but the Swiss watch companies put a lot of stock in their national label. If by law they had to label their watches ">50% Swiss Made," I don't imagine they'd like it too much. Why should we be OK with them using the "Swiss Made" label to conceal the origin of some of their parts, regardless of the quality of those parts?
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Old 15 November 2018, 08:01 PM   #120
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I for one do not care but when you advertise the item as Swiss made I can understand the concern.

Apple at least are honest in their nonsense. Designed in California

But all this fuzz for a spare part seems over the top.
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