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Bodie · 27 June 2007, 04:24 AM

Hello
Just couple of questions for anyone who might know......I was looking at a P serial # !6613 for sale. Its case lugs have holes. According to what I know, the P is "2000".
This watch would not have an crystal laser etching, Correct?
When did Rolex start making the No Holes Lug Case??
Also when did the Gold thru the clasp start??
Thanks for the Input!
Bodie

Lol-x · 27 June 2007, 11:55 AM

Hi Bodie, some good questions.
I'll try my best to assist.
The P serial did not have laser etching. I think that was introduced with "K" serial watches. However, if the "P" serial has a crystal replacement it may have the laser etched coronet with a "r" etched into the middle of the coronet.
I think the 'no lug holes' in the case started in the "Y" serial watches.
Sorr I can't help you on the clasp, but others no doubt will.

ohlins · 27 June 2007, 12:04 PM

doesnt a replacement crystal come with a 'S' etched in the coronet ...?

The Mole · 27 June 2007, 12:12 PM

Should look like this...a replaced crystal that is...

GoldenBear · 27 June 2007, 12:17 PM

In the TT Subs, I believe the gold went through the bracelet starting in mid-2001. I got one of the last one's without in early 2001. (I prefer it without).

ohlins · 27 June 2007, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Mole

Should look like this...a replaced crystal that is...

yeah ....it looks more like a S than a R.....

Bodie · 27 June 2007, 02:40 PM

Thanks Very Much Guys!
Bodie

JJ Irani · 27 June 2007, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bodie

Hello
Just couple of questions for anyone who might know......I was looking at a P serial # !6613 for sale. Its case lugs have holes. According to what I know, the P is "2000".
This watch would not have an crystal laser etching, Correct?
When did Rolex start making the No Holes Lug Case??
Also when did the Gold thru the clasp start??
Thanks for the Input!
Bodie

Hi Bodie,

Yes, P-series started around the year 2000.

"P" will have the lug holes.
"P" will also have the SEL bracelet with the 18 K gold running right through the clasp.
The lug holes disappeared from the very, very end of the Y-series.
Laser etching started on some models around mid-2003. Now, all the models have this etching on the crystal.

JJ

Lol-x · 27 June 2007, 05:42 PM

I stand corrected it is an S and not an R. I was thinking of Replacement, instead of Service.

Alex Stylianou · 27 June 2007, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mole

Should look like this...a replaced crystal that is...

Good Pic !!!

mcubed · 27 June 2007, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lol-x

Hi Bodie, some good questions.
I'll try my best to assist.
The P serial did not have laser etching. I think that was introduced with "K" serial watches. However, if the "P" serial has a crystal replacement it may have the laser etched coronet with a "r" etched into the middle of the coronet.
I think the 'no lug holes' in the case started in the "Y" serial watches.
Sorr I can't help you on the clasp, but others no doubt will.

FYI my P series 14060 has the crown etching, and it is not a service replacement, though judging from the serial number mine is a late P series, likely from 2001. Rolex is not always consistent with these things.

Gedanken · 27 June 2007, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lol-x

I stand corrected it is an S and not an R. I was thinking of Replacement, instead of Service.

No dramas, Rteve!

SPACE-DWELLER · 28 June 2007, 12:51 AM

I believe you made a thread once already asking about this:

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=18791

but that is okay.

My answer was:

P-Serial is from January 2000 until September 2001. So the date is right.

Lug holes were discontinued (except the Sub 14060M) around 2001.

The Laser Etched Crown was introduced in 2001.

Not sure about the clasp, but I guess it was introduced together with the no holes case in 2001.

BUT: Your watch can indeed have a laser etched crown in the crystal, if the crystal has been exchanged after 2001.

In that case, there is an "S" inside the "Coronet" laser etching, the "S" standing for "Service".

27 June 2007, 04:24 AM	#1
Bodie Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Orange County CA Watch: TT Black Face Sub Posts: 41	Questions about a 16613 Hello Just couple of questions for anyone who might know......I was looking at a P serial # !6613 for sale. Its case lugs have holes. According to what I know, the P is "2000". This watch would not have an crystal laser etching, Correct? When did Rolex start making the No Holes Lug Case?? Also when did the Gold thru the clasp start?? Thanks for the Input! Bodie

27 June 2007, 12:04 PM	#3
ohlins "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Singapore Watch: Rolex Posts: 1,213	doesnt a replacement crystal come with a 'S' etched in the coronet ...? __________________ the hype is true. a crown for every achievement. visit my audio and watch blog & how to use the rolex comfort link?

28 June 2007, 12:51 AM	#13
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	I believe you made a thread once already asking about this: http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=18791 but that is okay. My answer was: P-Serial is from January 2000 until September 2001. So the date is right. Lug holes were discontinued (except the Sub 14060M) around 2001. The Laser Etched Crown was introduced in 2001. Not sure about the clasp, but I guess it was introduced together with the no holes case in 2001. BUT: Your watch can indeed have a laser etched crown in the crystal, if the crystal has been exchanged after 2001. In that case, there is an "S" inside the "Coronet" laser etching, the "S" standing for "Service". __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

27 June 2007, 11:55 AM	#2
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,242	Hi Bodie, some good questions. I'll try my best to assist. The P serial did not have laser etching. I think that was introduced with "K" serial watches. However, if the "P" serial has a crystal replacement it may have the laser etched coronet with a "r" etched into the middle of the coronet. I think the 'no lug holes' in the case started in the "Y" serial watches. Sorr I can't help you on the clasp, but others no doubt will.

27 June 2007, 12:17 PM	#5
GoldenBear "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: San Francisco Watch: Submariner Posts: 2,480	In the TT Subs, I believe the gold went through the bracelet starting in mid-2001. I got one of the last one's without in early 2001. (I prefer it without).

27 June 2007, 02:40 PM	#7
Bodie Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Orange County CA Watch: TT Black Face Sub Posts: 41	Thanks Very Much Guys! Bodie

27 June 2007, 05:42 PM	#9
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,242	I stand corrected it is an S and not an R. I was thinking of Replacement, instead of Service.

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