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gwozhog · 17 September 2016, 02:04 AM

Is Deutche bank on the verge of collapse? Everyday it seems the news gets worse and worse.

MonBK · 17 September 2016, 02:05 AM

I better secure my account!

KarlS · 17 September 2016, 02:40 AM

I think the fines are just getting ridiculous and is nothing more than balancing the budget!! Besides no ways that they will pay that amount. The only people being punished are shareholders Which are pension funds and the man in the street! So basically it's an indirect tax!

Star Ferry · 17 September 2016, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by KarlS

I think the fines are just getting ridiculous and is nothing more than balancing the budget!! Besides no ways that they will pay that amount. The only people being punished are shareholders Which are pension funds and the man in the street! So basically it's an indirect tax!

I agree on your first two points, but regarding the third, isn't top management's compensation often linked to the share price ? Wouldn't this also hurt the value of outstanding options that management has been awarded in past years ?

KarlS · 17 September 2016, 03:30 AM

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I agree on your first two points, but regarding the third, isn't top management's compensation often linked to the share price ? Wouldn't this also hurt the value of outstanding options that management has been awarded in past years ?

Of course....they even get options that very quickly go out the money ....definitely thru a KPI of Total Shareholders Return but as more bankers refuse to have remuneration tied to share price as they say they can't control that anymore due to these exhirbitant fines, plus capping of bonuses they merely get s higher fixed component of salary and less variable

Etschell · 17 September 2016, 04:28 AM

its more systemic risk. DB cant fail. it is like AIG, the systemic risk from derivatives is so large that if it failed the entire banking and monetary system would collapse. that said i would not own any account at DB nor would i buy the stock. they will get bailed out by the ECB or EU if they are having liquidity issues.

Snow-Dweller · 17 September 2016, 04:56 AM

I'm more worried about contagion.

azguy · 17 September 2016, 05:08 AM

They have a market cap of $8 billion and the US wants $14 billion, that's not good math

TheBluePrince · 17 September 2016, 05:15 AM

Their market cap was more like $18b I thought, at least until this morning.

I was offered an AVP role there a few years ago, sounds good but seems they gave them out like candy, turned it down, saw enough not to want to persue it.

I think they're going down or gonna need a bail out.

Etschell · 17 September 2016, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBluePrince

Their market cap was more like $18b I thought, at least until this morning.

I was offered an AVP role there a few years ago, sounds good but seems they gave them out like candy, turned it down, saw enough not to want to persue it.

I think they're going down or gonna need a bail out.

yea it was 20 bil until today, now 18 or so. they will need a bail out. the bigger issue is RBS and CS are going to get hit as well.

walds11 · 17 September 2016, 06:51 AM

What about Wells Fargo? The stock is getting smacked because of the settlement announcement.

bayerische · 17 September 2016, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Etschell

its more systemic risk. DB cant fail. it is like AIG, the systemic risk from derivatives is so large that if it failed the entire banking and monetary system would collapse. that said i would not own any account at DB nor would i buy the stock. they will get bailed out by the ECB or EU if they are having liquidity issues.

Exactly, it simply is "too big to fail".

Etschell · 30 September 2016, 10:32 AM

I'd remove any account now. There's enough for liquidity issues and some major funds just removed money.

Hate to see any one get their money locked down even for a short period.

GB-man · 30 September 2016, 02:22 PM

Germany/the world won't let them fail. US will be pressured to renegotiate to a more feasible figure much much lower than 18 bills.

They will not let them be Lehman numero dos. If they do then...f#%€ me running

Regardless my only direct exposure right now is covered. Insurance is only expensive until you need it

MILGAUSS88 · 30 September 2016, 02:26 PM

EU fines Apple 14.5 billion. And a possible Google fine as well.
Coincidence? I think this is just, "We can play that game too."

Kingair · 30 September 2016, 04:45 PM

Turkey is gonna buy the DB . . . .

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...-deutsche-bank

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bayerische · 30 September 2016, 06:02 PM

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Turkey is gonna buy the DB . . . .

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...-deutsche-bank

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Loose talk.

enjoythemusic · 30 September 2016, 06:19 PM

DB, Wells, Italian banks, etc.... derivatives... exposure and counterparty risk.... lackluster reserves... obscene amounts of leverage...

Welcome to 2007/2008, act accordingly.

Kingair · 1 October 2016, 12:12 AM

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Loose talk.

Possible . . .

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ajas · 1 October 2016, 06:58 PM

my prediction is that German Gov. will give them money as they cant fail. this would kill EU

17 September 2016, 02:04 AM	#1
gwozhog "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Point Blank, TX Posts: 2,893	Deutsche Bank Is Deutche bank on the verge of collapse? Everyday it seems the news gets worse and worse.

17 September 2016, 04:28 AM	#6
Etschell "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: FL Watch: platinum sub Posts: 15,884	its more systemic risk. DB cant fail. it is like AIG, the systemic risk from derivatives is so large that if it failed the entire banking and monetary system would collapse. that said i would not own any account at DB nor would i buy the stock. they will get bailed out by the ECB or EU if they are having liquidity issues. __________________ If you wind it, they will run. 25 or 6 to 4.

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17 September 2016, 06:51 AM	#11
walds11 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Real Name: Adam Location: Philly ‘burbs Posts: 5,632	What about Wells Fargo? The stock is getting smacked because of the settlement announcement. __________________ Adam

30 September 2016, 10:32 AM	#13
Etschell "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: FL Watch: platinum sub Posts: 15,884	I'd remove any account now. There's enough for liquidity issues and some major funds just removed money. Hate to see any one get their money locked down even for a short period. __________________ If you wind it, they will run. 25 or 6 to 4.

17 September 2016, 02:05 AM	#2
MonBK Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kingstown Posts: 58,281	I better secure my account!

17 September 2016, 02:40 AM	#3
KarlS Banned Join Date: Nov 2015 Real Name: Karl Location: Kuwait Posts: 5,228	I think the fines are just getting ridiculous and is nothing more than balancing the budget!! Besides no ways that they will pay that amount. The only people being punished are shareholders Which are pension funds and the man in the street! So basically it's an indirect tax!

17 September 2016, 05:08 AM	#8
azguy Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: ------- Location: ------- Watch: --------- Posts: 12,609	They have a market cap of $8 billion and the US wants $14 billion, that's not good math

17 September 2016, 05:15 AM	#9
TheBluePrince "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: London Posts: 2,081	Their market cap was more like $18b I thought, at least until this morning. I was offered an AVP role there a few years ago, sounds good but seems they gave them out like candy, turned it down, saw enough not to want to persue it. I think they're going down or gonna need a bail out.

30 September 2016, 02:22 PM	#14
GB-man 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: USA Watch: addiction issues Posts: 36,856	Germany/the world won't let them fail. US will be pressured to renegotiate to a more feasible figure much much lower than 18 bills. They will not let them be Lehman numero dos. If they do then...f#%€ me running Regardless my only direct exposure right now is covered. Insurance is only expensive until you need it __________________

30 September 2016, 02:26 PM	#15
MILGAUSS88 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: mississippi river Posts: 2,940	EU fines Apple 14.5 billion. And a possible Google fine as well. Coincidence? I think this is just, "We can play that game too."

30 September 2016, 06:19 PM	#18
enjoythemusic 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Real Name: Steven Location: Glocal Posts: 19,406	DB, Wells, Italian banks, etc.... derivatives... exposure and counterparty risk.... lackluster reserves... obscene amounts of leverage... Welcome to 2007/2008, act accordingly. __________________ __________________ “Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming 'Wow! What a Ride!'” -- Hunter S. Thompson Sent from my Etch A Sketch using String Theory.

1 October 2016, 06:58 PM	#20
ajas "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Real Name: Will Location: Kuala Lumpur Watch: SubC, Pam, Speede Posts: 3,140	my prediction is that German Gov. will give them money as they cant fail. this would kill EU

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