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joli160 · 9 August 2019, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Tomas Eriksson

DD40 in all combination has it as well. PM Subs don't have it.

New ones have, as well as the PM SkyD's.
We'll only know if it helps after a few decades

wm82 · 9 August 2019, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by joli160

New ones have, as well as the PM SkyD's.
We'll only know if it helps after a few decades

No, no submariners have it. Yet.

a_plus1234 · 9 August 2019, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanjean

I think it starts on DD II platinum.

Yes. I recall this is correct. I remember the DD2 platinum was the 1st launch in the DD line where they introduced the ceramic inserts. All DD40's now have them. I'm not sure about the oyster line

jaisonline · 9 August 2019, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by wm82

You're wrong. The only WG professional model that has it is the white gold GMT2 and the new 116659SABR.

Some pearlmasters have it, skydwellers have it, the new DD 36 and the DD40 as has been said. The older PM models do not have it. The platinum DD2 had it.

In the 2000s, PM watches including TTs came with these (bushings) made of SS.
Some of SS Sub and GMTs models from the 2000s also came with SS bushings. They def help with avoiding premature wear. Wish all my non-solid center link watches had them.

Even the SS bushings are a hard part to find.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=211733

Runnin' Rebel · 9 August 2019, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by wm82

No, no submariners have it. Yet.

Mine did
116619

tyler1980 · 9 August 2019, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Tomas Eriksson

DD40 in all combination has it as well. PM Subs don't have it.

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Originally Posted by Rolex addict

Yes, they do. All modern 6 digit PM oyster bracelets have them. .

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Originally Posted by Tomas Eriksson

My 116618 from 2018 doesn't have it.

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Originally Posted by SearChart

Yep they have ceramic sleeves.

Not all PM oyster bracelets have them.

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Originally Posted by wm82

You're wrong. The only WG professional model that has it is the white gold GMT2 and the new 116659SABR.

So either your "smurf" is a fake or your memory isnt what it should be :)

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Originally Posted by wm82

No 116618s have ever had it, its likely the 126618 will have it :)

No it started with 116769TBR GMT2 ICE!

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Originally Posted by Investr

All of this info is incorrect! I think the watch is a fake.....

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Originally Posted by joli160

New ones have, as well as the PM SkyD's.

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Originally Posted by wm82

No, no submariners have it. Yet.

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Originally Posted by Runnin' Rebel

Mine did
116619

who can follow this

this is just weird

Pilliam · 9 August 2019, 07:12 AM

Great thread...thanks for sharing. I’ve heard about this on the DD, but was unaware as to other models. Is anyone able to confirm Smurf does or doesn’t have the sleeves, please? Considering as next purchase. Thank you.

Runnin' Rebel · 9 August 2019, 07:47 AM

Here was a quick search

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...eramic+inserts

PM GMT

Mr.Rolex1 · 9 August 2019, 08:06 AM

I thought this would make the watch lighter?

HogwldFLTR · 9 August 2019, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by kans86

Thank you for the info. So that’s ceramic and not plastic. Is it possible not to use them?

Why would you want to not use them. I don't understand any advantage in that. They keep the links from being excessively damaged and reduce the wear primarily to the screw pins and sleeves.

wm82 · 9 August 2019, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by pmk416

Great thread...thanks for sharing. I’ve heard about this on the DD, but was unaware as to other models. Is anyone able to confirm Smurf does or doesn’t have the sleeves, please? Considering as next purchase. Thank you.

The Smurf, i.e 116619LB absolutely does not have the ceramic tubes.

jonnyz1245 · 9 August 2019, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by wm82

The Smurf, i.e 116619LB absolutely does not have the ceramic tubes.

I know both the guys who posted in this thread who said their Smurfs have them. Neither are the type to make things up so I believe them and I also have a friend who lives near me and his Smurf has them. Based on that it looks like you are wrong. Either that or 3 random Smurfs escaped the Rolex factory with them...

Bigblu10 · 9 August 2019, 10:02 AM

Somebody here please show me your pic of YG or WG Sub WITH ceramic sleeve on removed link and pin.

wm82 · 10 August 2019, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jonnyz1245

I know both the guys who posted in this thread who said their Smurfs have them. Neither are the type to make things up so I believe them and I also have a friend who lives near me and his Smurf has them. Based on that it looks like you are wrong. Either that or 3 random Smurfs escaped the Rolex factory with them...

Yea they're either fakes or misremembering, Im a watchmaker for a Rolex AD, with a login to myrolex.com. They dont have ceramic tubes.

Like posted above, pics or it didn't happen.

iheartrolexx · 10 August 2019, 12:12 AM

it's to secure the link

a_plus1234 · 10 August 2019, 12:32 AM

I have a 2013 (random SN) smurf. No ceramic inserts in my links

SearChart · 10 August 2019, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by wm82

Yea they're either fakes or misremembering, Im a watchmaker for a Rolex AD, with a login to myrolex.com. They dont have ceramic tubes.

Like posted above, pics or it didn't happen.

Agreed, no ceramic tubes in the smurf bracelet.

RichM · 10 August 2019, 12:49 AM

I’m adding my 2015 randon serial number, 6 digit reference Smurf to the don’t have list.

a_plus1234 · 10 August 2019, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by SearChart

Agreed, no ceramic tubes in the smurf bracelet.

winner winner chicken dinner! great info

trfChris · 10 August 2019, 01:13 AM

No ceramic sleeves in the WG Pepsi GMT with black dial.

mactruck · 10 August 2019, 01:32 AM

This looks like a Roswell level conspiracy.

214270Explorer · 10 August 2019, 03:05 AM

Platinum is a bit "soft" (relatively speaking; it actually "smears" instead of losing material when scratched.)

I would suspect that the tubes are likely implemented to reduce long term wear of creating elongation of the holes in the bracelet.

Just my humble opinion; yours may vary.

jonnyz1245 · 10 August 2019, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by wm82

Yea they're either fakes or misremembering, Im a watchmaker for a Rolex AD, with a login to myrolex.com. They dont have ceramic tubes.

Like posted above, pics or it didn't happen.

Interesting. I stand corrected. My local friend is convinced when he sized his bracelet that a little white tube fell out

Thanks for clarifying.

kieselguhr · 10 August 2019, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SearChart

Agreed, no ceramic tubes in the smurf bracelet.

Yea, this is no contest. All posts should be substantiated with referenced evidence like this. Not that Bas needed to post evidence since he’s a Rolex watchmaker and therefore a primary source himself.

AOW

goldfixer21 · 10 August 2019, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 214270Explorer

Platinum is a bit "soft" (relatively speaking; it actually "smears" instead of losing material when scratched.)

I would suspect that the tubes are likely implemented to reduce long term wear of creating elongation of the holes in the bracelet.

Just my humble opinion; yours may vary.

This is the correct answer imo.

johnnyjazz · 10 August 2019, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 214270Explorer

Platinum is a bit "soft" (relatively speaking; it actually "smears" instead of losing material when scratched.)

I would suspect that the tubes are likely implemented to reduce long term wear of creating elongation of the holes in the bracelet.

Just my humble opinion; yours may vary.

That would seem why it has been done, but in order to fit the sleeve into the centre links, those links have been drilled with a larger hole that has resulted in less material left, therefore making the link weaker. Seems like they have created a problem to come up with a solution for the problem.

Likestheshiny · 10 August 2019, 05:58 AM

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That would seem why it has been done, but in order to fit the sleeve into the centre links, those links have been drilled with a larger hole that has resulted in less material left, therefore making the link weaker. Seems like they have created a problem to come up with a solution for the problem.

Platinum is not butter. There's plenty of material in the links to maintain structural integrity. There was a time when Rolex precious metal links were hollow, and even then the link itself didn't typically break.

sebtko3 · 14 August 2019, 05:45 AM

ceramic is king

Onikage · 14 August 2019, 05:50 AM

If the sleeves are loose in the link then how do they prevent wear?

your desired user na · 14 August 2019, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Onikage

If the sleeves are loose in the link then how do they prevent wear?

Great question [edit] - just had another check and... hmm... they do appear to slide in and out.

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Pilliam "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: USA Posts: 254	Great thread...thanks for sharing. I’ve heard about this on the DD, but was unaware as to other models. Is anyone able to confirm Smurf does or doesn’t have the sleeves, please? Considering as next purchase. Thank you.

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Mr.Rolex1 Banned Join Date: Apr 2019 Real Name: Mike Location: San Diego, CA Watch: Submariner Posts: 1,197	I thought this would make the watch lighter?

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Bigblu10 Banned Join Date: Jul 2017 Real Name: Jaime Location: Here Posts: 5,606	Somebody here please show me your pic of YG or WG Sub WITH ceramic sleeve on removed link and pin.

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