Accuracy (keeping score)

[LateLearner]

After one month my 2022 Air King is +8 seconds, compared to my iPhone. Day and night wear, minus showers.
Will keep you posted….

How is your 32xx doing?




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[Trailboss516]

Nice. Mine is totally fine.

[nat]

https://time.is/

Measure against this. If still 8 sec fasst, it may be magnetized. Easy fix.

[LateLearner]

Originally Posted by nat

https://time.is/

Measure against this. If still 8 sec fasst, it may be magnetized. Easy fix.

I’m okay with 8 seconds (total) over 30/31 days.


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[CedCraig]

Mine is running consistently -1.5spd. But you‘re following the 32xx movement lemon thread, right?

[Ollie1982]

My 124060 Sub is two years old today!

Unfortunately, it's currently running around 20 seconds per day slow... so is due a trip back to RSC to fix it.

A lot of people on here report that their 32** is running fine and around * months old. Mine used to run 1 SPD fast, for around 18 months - until it didn't. Seems like this issue creeps up on you.

[George58]

Originally Posted by nat

https://time.is/

Measure against this. If still 8 sec fasst, it may be magnetized. Easy fix.

no it's not

[Driver8]

Originally Posted by George58

no it's not

Yeah, +8 secs per month isn't a sign of a magnetised movement - it's a sign of a very well regulated movement!

+8 secs an HOUR might indicate magnetism, but a month? Nah.

[Andad]

Great accuracy but time will tell?

[DJ2020]

Just got mine back a few days ago. I have been doing the usual 2 week monitoring for a new watch. So far it's running -.25 seconds per day. Very pleased.

I should note, the only time it lost time is when I took it off one night. It lost 1 second. Other than that it has been spot on.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by LateLearner

After one month my 2022 Air King is +8 seconds, compared to my iPhone. Day and night wear, minus showers.
Will keep you posted….

Good accuracy; even (much) better timekkeping can be achieved with predictable rest positioning overnight.
https://www.rolexforums.com/showpost...4&postcount=23

Originally Posted by LateLearner

How is your 32xx doing?

Don't ask lol
3 watches and 100 % failure rate during the first two years of the 5 year warranty period. No 32xx watch again.

[Mr Ben]

My Exp II is miraculously bang on after 2 months of wearing for between 8-16 hours during the day and taking it off at night - It was only wound the day I got it. It does seem to vary very slightly as it was about 3 seconds slow after the first month and has since magically “caught up”. Quite astonishing compared with other brands I have had before.

Edit: I’ve now read the link from Saxo above and guess it ran slow while I spent Christmas sitting in one spot eating and has since caught up now I’m back at work. So may coincidentally be very accurate in total though always rested crown up at night (to try and avoid marking the new bracelet rather than any scientific reason.)

[LateLearner]

Originally Posted by CedCraig

Mine is running consistently -1.5spd. But you‘re following the 32xx movement lemon thread, right?

Yes, I am following that thread. I received my AK last month, December 2022.

Eventually, the 32xx problems will be addressed. So, here’s hoping my late 2022 model doesn’t fail in the first couple years.

After daily wearing a 5513 and occasionally wearing a 16750, both over the past 30+ years, the AK’s accuracy is refreshing. I won’t bother with the overnight positioning in hopes of even greater accuracy.


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[rohada]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Good accuracy; even (much) better timekkeping can be achieved with predictable rest positioning overnight.

After about a month and a half, I gained 12 seconds on my GMT BLRO. All the watches I wear in my rotation sit at night. I started resting it crown side down a week ago and it's coming back into spec. Once I get it back in line, I'll let it rest dial up in the evenings. I've been experimenting positionally for the evening rest and for this watch, it seems to be working. YMMV

[MikeyV]

I kept my DJ41 at basically zero for many months with positional resting at night (face up).

The problem does not creep up until 6-9 months of daily wear.

Not to be a Debbie Downer - but don't get your hopes up.

It's my belief that people who say theirs run well after a few years don't wear them nearly every day.

Mine took about 8 months to shit the bed with daily wear (first time new, and the second time after repair at RSC.) So that's 240 days of daily wear.

If owners wear them once a month (say it runs for 72 hours each time they wind/wear it) then it's gonna take 80 months for the problem to show up. So 3 days of running per month takes 80 months to make up 240 days.

They're all going to go bad at some point. Makes a case for Safe Queens, lol.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by MikeyV

I kept my DJ41 at basically zero for many months with positional resting at night (face up).

The problem does not creep up until 6-9 months of daily wear.

Not to be a Debbie Downer - but don't get your hopes up.

It's my belief that people who say theirs run well after a few years don't wear them nearly every day.

Mine took about 8 months to shit the bed with daily wear (first time new, and the second time after repair at RSC.) So that's 240 days of daily wear.

If owners wear them once a month (say it runs for 72 hours each time they wind/wear it) then it's gonna take 80 months for the problem to show up. So 3 days of running per month takes 80 months to make up 240 days.

They're all going to go bad at some point. Makes a case for Safe Queens, lol.

Sorry Mike, that is not true.
The summary what we know about the 32xx issues I posted two months ago in the long thread:

https://www.rolexforums.com/showpost...postcount=3161
https://www.rolexforums.com/showpost...postcount=3182

[MikeyV]

Those numbers were from my personal experience - both when new and after "repair" by RSC.

Are we seeing movements run poorly right after manufacture? I'd assume these days watches are sold shortly after manufacture - they don't sit around in the case for long.

Lube migration might explain why mine "fixed itself" for a while - went to running spot on for a few months after running near -9 spd for a year. Then it went back to running -6 to -9 spd - where it is now.

What I really want to know is when is Rolex gonna get it together, my warranty is up in 4 months. I'm not gonna send it in if there's not a fix. I'd rather wait until there's a proven fix and pay for it myself.

This crap has been going on for FAR TOO LONG.

Also wanted to say that mine runs really slow after a full wind. It runs best when I just leave the winding to daily wear.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by MikeyV

Those numbers were from my personal experience - both when new and after "repair" by RSC.

Are we seeing movements run poorly right after manufacture? I'd assume these days watches are sold shortly after manufacture - they don't sit around in the case for long.

Lube migration might explain why mine "fixed itself" for a while - went to running spot on for a few months after running near -9 spd for a year. Then it went back to running -6 to -9 spd - where it is now.

What I really want to know is when is Rolex gonna get it together, my warranty is up in 4 months. I'm not gonna send it in if there's not a fix. I'd rather wait until there's a proven fix and pay for it myself.

This crap has been going on for FAR TOO LONG.

Also wanted to say that mine runs really slow after a full wind. It runs best when I just leave the winding to daily wear.

Why you don't get this watch measured with a timegraspher?

The movement crap time will continue

The slow running after full winding and best on your wrist is interesting, it suggests an isochronism problem?

[mountainjogger]

After a week on the wrist, my new to me 2018 114060 is running a tad under 2.3 seconds fast a day. Disclosure: I keep it at the 3H position when resting. Happy with that. Also happy that the movement should not have any issues down the road.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by mountainjogger

After a week on the wrist, my new to me 2018 114060 is running a tad under 2.3 seconds fast a day. Disclosure: I keep it at the 3H position when resting. Happy with that. Also happy that the movement should not have any issues down the road.

Perfect (3130) and close to the X = 2.8 …. the check and 'printout' were helpful, also for the use of the 3H position with -1.1

[MikeyV]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Why you don't get this watch measured with a timegraspher?

The movement crap time will continue

The slow running after full winding and best on your wrist is interesting, it suggests an isochronism problem?

I don't see the point in throwing good money after bad. I know it will show low amplitude, like it did the first time around - when it was put on a timegrapher. It was reading like 207 degrees on the low end. Nothing over 230 or so.
That's from memory.

If I buy a timegrapher, and it's got low amplitude, then my option is to take it to the AD and have them send it in under warranty. The warranty is up in June this year.

I can just skip buying a timegrapher and take it straight to the AD - who will put it on a timegrapher anyway.

I guess I don't really have a choice. Try again under warranty now or pay for it later.

I'd just like to know Rolex has a fix for this before I let them monkey around with it again.

:(

I do appreciate all you do with regard to documenting this issue - I'm sorry I can't provide more scientific details - but if I bring it in and get the timegrapher results - I'll be sure to let you know. :)

[CarlOver]

Originally Posted by mountainjogger

After a week on the wrist, my new to me 2018 114060 is running a tad under 2.3 seconds fast a day. Disclosure: I keep it at the 3H position when resting. Happy with that. Also happy that the movement should not have any issues down the road.

What does it do when dial up?

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by MikeyV

I don't see the point in throwing good money after bad. I know it will show low amplitude, like it did the first time around - when it was put on a timegrapher. It was reading like 207 degrees on the low end. Nothing over 230 or so.
That's from memory.

If I buy a timegrapher, and it's got low amplitude, then my option is to take it to the AD and have them send it in under warranty. The warranty is up in June this year.

I can just skip buying a timegrapher and take it straight to the AD - who will put it on a timegrapher anyway.

I guess I don't really have a choice. Try again under warranty now or pay for it later.

I'd just like to know Rolex has a fix for this before I let them monkey around with it again.

:(

I do appreciate all you do with regard to documenting this issue - I'm sorry I can't provide more scientific details - but if I bring it in and get the timegrapher results - I'll be sure to let you know. :)

I did not propose you to buy a timegrapher, but get it measured somewhere. If you know the result from a previous measurement, i.e., low amplitudes with negative rates, then more confirming data are only frustrating for you. I understand that. Your contributions are nevertheless very much appreciated by me.