Rolex Daytona 116509 - Strange Dial?

[xliang23]

Hi everyone, my first post here, so please forgive me if anything is out of line.

I've been looking to buy a used White Gold Rolex Daytona 116509, and most of the styles (dials) I'm not the biggest fan of, until I saw this one listed by SantBlanc on ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/392262640113

I've never seen this dial on a white gold rolex before, so I'm wondering if you guys can help me with a couple of questions (I tried messaging the seller but did not receive a reply which is a bit suspicious):

1) Is this dial original from a 116509? If not, do you know where it's from?

2) If it's not original, does it lower the value of the watch? Is 22k USD for this watch in this condition a reasonable deal?


Much appreciate your help!

[Quamby]

Originally Posted by xliang23

Hi everyone, my first post here, so please forgive me if anything is out of line.

I've been looking to buy a used White Gold Rolex Daytona 116509, and most of the styles (dials) I'm not the biggest fan of, until I saw this one listed by SantBlanc on ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/392262640113

I've never seen this dial on a white gold rolex before, so I'm wondering if you guys can help me with a couple of questions (I tried messaging the seller but did not receive a reply which is a bit suspicious):

1) Is this dial original from a 116509? If not, do you know where it's from?

2) If it's not original, does it lower the value of the watch? Is 22k USD for this watch in this condition a reasonable deal?


Much appreciate your help!

The dial is not original.

I wouldn't touch it.

[Ravager135]

I have seen a dial similar to this in the past on white gold models, but I want to say it wasn't white but rather mother of pearl. I am sure an expert will come along shortly and correct me. There was however a dial produced very similar to this one on white gold models. I am just not 100% certain if the dial in these photos is exactly accurate.

[Chiboy]

I've seen that dial on a WG Daytona with a leather strap. Not sure about one with a WG bracelet.

[xliang23]

Originally Posted by Chiboy

I've seen that dial on a WG Daytona with a leather strap. Not sure about one with a WG bracelet.

Ah yes - something like this? https://www.authenticwatches.com/rol...16519-wht.html

Just the second hand is red vs this leather strap one.

[Chiboy]

Originally Posted by xliang23

Ah yes - something like this? https://www.authenticwatches.com/rol...16519-wht.html

Just the second hand is red vs this leather strap one.

Yes.

[Solo118]

Never saw that dial on a 116509. It could be the original dial was swapped, and if it does not have paperwork you will never know which dial it came with originally (unless sending to RSC)

[Apheaven]

SantBlanc...never done business with them and never will. Have seen many watches over the years where they flipped the dials, but were not entirely clear about that fact in the respective watch description.


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[ian.thomas]

Originally Posted by Apheaven

SantBlanc...never done business with them and never will.

Good to know ... there have been a couple of watches from them that I was interested in, but will avoid going forward.

[101031-28]

Like stated that dial is from the WG Daytona 116519 on strap, if anything. Definitely not from the WG on bracelet. I would not buy it. I am not into modded/altered watches, plus the asking price is way too high for a non factory spec example.

[xliang23]

Thanks for your feedback! I did find it suspicious that the seller didn't answer any of my emails asking about the dial.

[Hodog16]

Yes was on leather only never bracelet. I’ve seen Saint Blanc have a 116509 for sale with the black dial from a 116520. Wouldn’t trust them.

[dannyp]

I'm more bothered by the hands. I was looking at a bunch of PM Daytona pics, and it seems that a red seconds hand is always accompanied by additional red on the dial (besides the "DAYTONA" lettering). Could be red hands and/or outlines on the sub-dials, or the second/minute markers around the rim of the dial, but never just a red seconds hand.

[77T]

The watch does have a dial that belonged to a 116519 as said by others. But ADs do replace dials. Any good watchmaker could too.

If you like that dial, then just buy a 116519. I’m guessing the original owner liked the dial enough to pay for a dial swap.

As for the red chrono hand, it did not come on 116519’s with that dial. But I like it as a user.

The price could be negotiated if you were inclined - but it is in the reasonable region for a WH Daytona on a bracelet. The fact that RSC might not work on it is a negotiating point - although the seller prolly doesn’t care.




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