Eat meat, stay happy.

[Abdullah71601]

Originally Posted by GB-man

I try to only eat meat at dinner and limit it to 8 ounces or less usually organic free range chicken. Not ideal but I’m not strong willed. Then come weekend who knows what I’ll eat haha

What is a free range chicken? Is this just cage free? Or cage free with a picture window so they can daydream about hiding from hawks and coyotes?

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by Abdullah71601

What is a free range chicken? Is this just cage free? Or cage free with a picture window so they can daydream about hiding from hawks and coyotes?

I have no idea. Probably bs but here is what it says

“They’re USDA-certified organic, and they’re from free-range chickens that are raised on an all-vegetarian diet and never given antibiotics.”

[Phrank]

Didn't fight our way to the top of the food chain to eat salad.....

[Abdullah71601]

Originally Posted by GB-man

I have no idea. Probably bs but here is what it says

“They’re USDA-certified organic, and they’re from free-range chickens that are raised on an all-vegetarian diet and never given antibiotics.”

Chickens don't like to be outside with the predators. They do much better believing they are in a safe protected environment, which is usually emulated with custom programmable lighting in the chicken houses.

Tyson, Pilgrim, and Purdue all raise their chickens cage free. They all have product lines with organic and all veg chicken feed. Antibiotic use is very rare (chicken antibiotics had arsenic in them) and hormone use has been illegal for 60 years.

Some retailers have specific production requirements for their wholesalers. I don't know about all the wholesalers, but if you buy Tyson chicken at Costco you'll get the same thing as free range organic for half the money.

[austinp]

Originally Posted by 500lbman

I’m just sayin’






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Beautiful brisket!

[scoobnoob1103]

[handsfull]

Originally Posted by rolexpatek363

Fully vegan.

I really don't like the idea of colon cancer.

Genetics dictates your outcome.

Some people arent made to eat meat...some are. My Grandfather (born 1913) ate (too much sometimes-LOL) bavarian/german styled meats every single day (head cheese/oxtail soup/tongue/pigs feet) and died at the healthy age of 93.

Regardless of what the doctor/science says, its all about the individual and their chemistry. Blanket statements on nutrition/diet/disease drive me nuts.

[rolexpatek363]

Originally Posted by handsfull

Genetics dictates your outcome.

Some people arent made to eat meat...some are. My Grandfather (born 1913) ate (too much sometimes-LOL) bavarian/german styled meats every single day (head cheese/oxtail soup/tongue/pigs feet) and died at the healthy age of 93.

Regardless of what the doctor/science says, its all about the individual and their chemistry. Blanket statements on nutrition/diet/disease drive me nuts.

Yes you are probably right, but one anecdote is not evidence.

How about this? The impact on our planet. Continuing to eat meat is simply not sustainable.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...mpact-on-earth

[Andad]

Originally Posted by ras47

Vegetables are what food eats.

I've actually cut way back on meat. I've started to incorporate a lot of vegetarian/macrobiotic meals into my diet. Tofu is not as heinous as I thought.

[Andad]

Originally Posted by rolex75216

I would make a Veggie joke but no one would CARROT all!

Groan.

Great thread.

[Abdullah71601]

Originally Posted by rolexpatek363

Yes you are probably right, but one anecdote is not evidence.

How about this? The impact on our planet. Continuing to eat meat is simply not sustainable.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...mpact-on-earth

Propaganda. There is no evidence that farming is not sustainable.

[AK797]

Originally Posted by brandrea

Moderation. I love my meat and vegetables.

Exactly, as someone who eats very few carbs, meat and dairy are musts... sometimes I don't even want the juicy ribeye with garlic butter but it's my duty.

[AK797]

By the way has anyone eaten dog, and even liked it? I was talking about this at dinner the other day and found myself saying altho I find the idea unpalatable if you are going to eat meat then you can't really say it's wrong or disgusting as most of my diners were arguing.

[THC]

Originally Posted by Abdullah71601

Propaganda. There is no evidence that farming is not sustainable.

10000% accurate

[rolexpatek363]

Originally Posted by Abdullah71601

Propaganda. There is no evidence that farming is not sustainable.

There's a ton of evidence. If you choose to deny the evidence, that's entirely down to you. Humans are destroying biodiversity, and it will come back to bite us very soon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habitat_destruction

[Abdullah71601]

Originally Posted by rolexpatek363

There's a ton of evidence. If you choose to deny the evidence, that's entirely down to you. Humans are destroying biodiversity, and it will come back to bite us very soon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habitat_destruction

You've gone from sustainability to bio diversity. They are two separate issues, usually only conjoined when selling a political argument rather than a science argument. Sell on. I'm sure PETA and the EDF love the free lobbying.

Sustainable farms make more money, BTW. While there is an initial capitalization requirement for most farms, sustainable practices reduce overheads and improve efficiency (LEAN for farming, as it were).

[rolexpatek363]

Originally Posted by Abdullah71601

You've gone from sustainability to bio diversity. They are two separate issues, usually only conjoined when selling a political argument rather than a science argument. Sell on. I'm sure PETA and the EDF love the free lobbying.

The two are linked. Habitats are being cleared for farmland. I'm all for sustainability, but continuing to eat meat and dairy does not appear to be sustainable.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...r-report-finds

[Abdullah71601]

Originally Posted by rolexpatek363

The two are linked. Habitats are being cleared for farmland. I'm all for sustainability, but continuing to eat meat and dairy does not appear to be sustainable.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...r-report-finds

Your google expert research is still generating propaganda.

Bio diversity is a political land use issue. People tear up habitats for a variety of reasons, farming being but one of many.

Sustainability is an efficiency process. Using existing farm land more efficiently. Lower resource intensity, higher yields, reduced waste.

[rolexpatek363]

Originally Posted by Abdullah71601

Your google expert research is still generating propaganda.

Bio diversity is a political land use issue. People tear up habitats for a variety of reasons, farming being but one of many.

Sustainability is an efficiency process. Using existing farm land more efficiently. Lower resource intensity, higher yields, reduced waste.

I know what sustainability means, but what is happening isn't sustainable.

Calling the WWF's report "propaganda" without refuting the evidence in any other way is not terrifically helpful.

"Humanity has wiped out 60% of mammals, birds, fish and reptiles since 1970, leading the world’s foremost experts to warn that the annihilation of wildlife is now an emergency that threatens civilisation.

The new estimate of the massacre of wildlife is made in a major report produced by WWF and involving 59 scientists from across the globe. It finds that the vast and growing consumption of food and resources by the global population is destroying the web of life, billions of years in the making, upon which human society ultimately depends for clean air, water and everything else."

etc.

[Abdullah71601]

Originally Posted by rolexpatek363

I know what sustainability means, but what is happening isn't sustainable.

Calling the WWF's report "propaganda" without refuting the evidence in any other way is not terrifically helpful.

"Humanity has wiped out 60% of mammals, birds, fish and reptiles since 1970, leading the world’s foremost experts to warn that the annihilation of wildlife is now an emergency that threatens civilisation.

The new estimate of the massacre of wildlife is made in a major report produced by WWF and involving 59 scientists from across the globe. It finds that the vast and growing consumption of food and resources by the global population is destroying the web of life, billions of years in the making, upon which human society ultimately depends for clean air, water and everything else."

etc.

The WWF is a political organization, along with EDF, Sierra Club, PETA, and the like. Your post is political propaganda. I'm out before the red card pops up in the corner.

[pickettt]

Originally Posted by AK797

By the way has anyone eaten dog, and even liked it? I was talking about this at dinner the other day and found myself saying altho I find the idea unpalatable if you are going to eat meat then you can't really say it's wrong or disgusting as most of my diners were arguing.

On many issues, including food, I think what is considered wrong or disgusting is just a matter of culture.....and no, I've never knowingly eaten dog.

[brandrea]

As someone who was born and raised mennonite (seriously was), I believe in sustainable farming.

It's also a way of life, family and community

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[littleolemoi]

Originally Posted by AK797

Exactly, as someone who eats very few carbs, meat and dairy are musts... sometimes I don't even want the juicy ribeye with garlic butter but it's my duty.

You and I both!!!

I am so anti-carbs which isn't easy being Filipina where we would have rice with each meal!!

I'll devour a 14 ounce steak and have my sashimi every other day but a cup of rice, a slice of bread or a bowl of pasta ......... will not be going into my mouth!!!

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[77T]

Originally Posted by bayerische

Holy thread bump.

Andreas...

You sure know how to stir the chili pot!!!


But for your bump, this nearly year-old thread will just feed a debate that’s ages-old. Some history tells us this will go around for millennia. Ever since humans began agrarian practices, this has raged on and even began wars.

Agriculture developed about 10,000 years ago in the Middle East. The reasons are debated but could have included over-hunting and the growth of herding animals for food.

Once the herding began, it was soon realized that grazing alone didn’t fatten the sheep, goats, calfs, etc. Most certainly there was a gradual transition from hunter-gatherer to agricultural economies. Some crops were deliberately planted to feed the animals. That is when sustainable agriculture began the debate regarding the “best use” of resources.

The math of feeding grain to animals - and mostly cattle in more recent times - led to hotly debated issues. By some experts estimates, it takes 2,500 gallons of water, 12 pounds of grain, and the energy equivalent of one gallon of gasoline to produce one pound of feedlot beef in today’s economy. I take no sides - but in the interest of full disclosure I have a couple of pounds of pulled-pork & ribs + a pound of smoked brisket in the fridge as I write this.

In addition to the emergence of farming in EMEA, agriculture appeared in Central and South America about 7,000 years ago. The famous 3 Sisters sustained Mayan and other cultures for thousands of years (maize, beans and squash). Hunting native animal species supplemented this diet.

Once European explorers (or conquerors, if you’re so inclined) introduced non-native animal herding, and higher-ratio, meat-rich diets the 3 Sisters agriculture couldn’t support feeding both humans and herds. This moved much of beef production towards the southern end of the continent. Today, 3 million tons of beef is exported by Argentina (about 7% of worldwide consumption). So they learned grass-fed has benefits and their North American neighbors are following that lead towards leaner beef.

I grew up in Florida and grass-fed beef was Pooh-poohed by Iowa Beef barons for its “gamey” flavor. But now we’ve seen a swing towards this less intensive method of herding. It saves water and grain. So we can adapt to control the costly production methods to remain sustainable.

Our economic system is predicated on cyclical preferences of agrarian-based foods and animal-based foods. But IMHO, we began with diets balanced by our ability to gather plants and hunt/gather animals (including fin-fish and shellfish).

As for bio-diversity, we should see some negative impacts as tastes change. In the oceans we have depleted some species to extinction. On land, fewer species (by percentage of total population) have been depleted. Even populations of Bison now improve.

What we should worry about is if humans develop a taste for fried flies, toasted worms, and candied ants. Our insect populations are next.


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[azs.77]

Like they say.. vegetables is what food eats..and salad is just a promissory note that steak is about to arrive!


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[rolexpatek363]

Originally Posted by Abdullah71601

The WWF is a political organization, along with EDF, Sierra Club, PETA, and the like. Your post is political propaganda. I'm out before the red card pops up in the corner.

If that's your best rebuttal to this important WWF report, then you clearly have nothing at all. The WWF is not a political organisation, and the report was front-page news yesterday in the online media, and the lead story on several TV news reports.

"The World Wide Fund for Nature (WWF) is an international non-governmental organization founded in 1961, working in the field of the wilderness preservation, and the reduction of human impact on the environment. It was formerly named the World Wildlife Fund, which remains its official name in Canada and the United States. The Living Planet Report is published every two years by WWF since 1998; it is based on a Living Planet Index and ecological footprint calculation.

It is the world's largest conservation organization with over five million supporters worldwide, working in more than 100 countries, supporting around 1,300[4] conservation and environmental projects. They have invested over $1 billion in more than 12,000 conservation initiatives since 1995. [5] WWF is a foundation,[6] with 55% of funding from individuals and bequests, 19% from government sources (such as the World Bank, DFID, USAID) and 8% from corporations in 2014.[7]

The group aims to "stop the degradation of the planet’s natural environment and to build a future in which humans live in harmony with nature."[8] Currently, their work is organized around these six areas: food, climate, freshwater, wildlife, forests, and oceans.[5]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_...und_for_Nature

[bayerische]

Originally Posted by 77T

Andreas...

You sure know how to stir the chili pot!!!

Hey Paul! Don't put this on me!!!

[bayerische]

Although... I see now that there was a post before mine that is now gone... Someone else bumped this thread, or I have been more intoxicated than usual?

[CamSLC]

Everything in moderation... Except vegetables. Eat more vegetables.

Considering the current population growth rate. Adding a net of 1.5mm people per week. Farming, agriculture, and also fresh water will continue to be a rarer luxury. The argument of sustainability is very real.

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by CamSLC

Everything in moderation... Except vegetables. Eat more vegetables.

Considering the current population growth rate. Adding a net of 1.5mm people per week. Farming, agriculture, and also fresh water will continue to be a rarer luxury. The argument of sustainability is very real.

Good thing we have the great lakes which are full of clean drinking water. Oh wait turns out they are so polluted you cannot even consume the fish swimming around