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shiftf7 · 23 July 2020, 10:26 AM

I’m interested in this 16710, from 2005.
What puts me off is the hand stack normally the 24hr hand is between the hour and minute hand, also I couldn’t find the same crown on the dial on any other 16710, and the etched crown in the glass is normally only visible with a loupe.

The owner told me it’s been serviced by Rolex and therefore 100%genuine.
I’m hoping to get your opinions on this watch.

BNABOD · 23 July 2020, 10:42 AM

Does he have proof of service by Rolex ?

GermanyMatt · 23 July 2020, 10:49 AM

The hand stack and bezel insert has me wondering. The font specifically...

Yeah, I’d want proof of service and better pictures. I’ve never seen the crystal crown etching so easily.

BNABOD · 23 July 2020, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by GermanyMatt

The hand stack and bezel insert has me wondering. The font specifically...

Yeah, I’d want proof of service and better pictures. I’ve never seen the crystal crown etching so easily.

Font looks like mine ?

GermanyMatt · 23 July 2020, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BNABOD

Font looks like mine ?

It does indeed. Rolex has had several variances with their font design - especially on these older models. It’s hard to tell and I think we’re all taught to not trust sellers unless they come with solid references. And maybe this seller does.

ltmgeller · 23 July 2020, 11:01 AM

Buy the seller, not the watch. Check the paperwork from RSC if he has it. Match serial numbers and have him call roc in front of you to verify.

Lesnerelli23 · 23 July 2020, 02:09 PM

I just did an image search of that model along with other GMT Master II's and I didn't see any where the 24hr was bottom. It IS on my Squale with an ETA though. The ETA has quickset for the 24 unlike Rolex quicksets the hour hand... It's suspicious to me!

lamkinpark · 23 July 2020, 02:27 PM

Stay away, it is fake

interestedwatcher · 23 July 2020, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Lesnerelli23

I just did an image search of that model along with other GMT Master II's and I didn't see any where the 24hr was bottom. It IS on my Squale with an ETA though. The ETA has quickset for the 24 unlike Rolex quicksets the hour hand... It's suspicious to me!

Yeah, incorrect hand stack, it's going to be an ETA or AETA movement. Proceed with caution.

springer · 23 July 2020, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by lamkinpark

Stay away, it is fake

I concur. Definitely not correct and definitely not genuine. Move on and find a reputable seller with a genuine watch.

Henrimontgomery · 23 July 2020, 04:25 PM

If you have doubts don’t buy. There’s so many of these anyway.

Blackdog · 23 July 2020, 05:06 PM

This one is easy:
All GMTII with wrong handstack are fake.

But mind you:
Not all GMTII fakes have wrong handstack.

It's a minefield.

Andad · 23 July 2020, 06:53 PM

As has been said there are GMT’s with that hand stack so ask them to take the back off and post up a pix?

watchnut100 · 24 July 2020, 12:13 AM

Hand stack is wrong so watch is wrong easy

Tools · 24 July 2020, 01:05 AM

There is more wrong with this watch than just the hand-stack.

Nikrnic · 24 July 2020, 01:10 AM

Here's my one owner F ser. late 2004 I purchased a year ago..24 hand between minute and hour. This was the hardest one I own to find the etched crown, a 10X loupe wouldn't show it. I was convinced it was replaced until I saw it under a microscope. With that hand stack the way it is you need to see the movement, i can't imagine the hands being able to be assembled randomly.

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Rori · 24 July 2020, 01:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiftf7

I’m interested in this 16710, from 2005.
What puts me off is the hand stack normally the 24hr hand is between the hour and minute hand, also I couldn’t find the same crown on the dial on any other 16710, and the etched crown in the glass is normally only visible with a loupe.

The owner told me it’s been serviced by Rolex and therefore 100%genuine.
I’m hoping to get your opinions on this watch.

Indexes look like pitting, this never seen something that bad even on much older models.

watchnut100 · 24 July 2020, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Tools

There is more wrong with this watch than just the hand-stack.

Clearly but hand start is the biggest giveaway

jlabrego02 · 24 July 2020, 02:28 AM

Its a fake. Common with reps. They cant get the hand stack correct because you're trying to build a complicated movement with $3 parts. But yes, some of them do have the CHS.

23 July 2020, 11:01 AM	#6
ltmgeller 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Real Name: Mike Location: New York Watch: Rolex Posts: 21,377	Buy the seller, not the watch. Check the paperwork from RSC if he has it. Match serial numbers and have him call roc in front of you to verify. __________________ Oh, look at the time... Official Member: 'WIS-CON' Las Vegas International GTG 2019

23 July 2020, 06:53 PM	#13
Andad 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 36,798	As has been said there are GMT’s with that hand stack so ask them to take the back off and post up a pix? __________________ E

24 July 2020, 01:05 AM	#15
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,049	There is more wrong with this watch than just the hand-stack. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

23 July 2020, 10:42 AM	#2
BNABOD "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: USA Posts: 663	Does he have proof of service by Rolex ?

23 July 2020, 10:49 AM	#3
GermanyMatt "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: Matt Location: Northern VA Watch: 126711, 126610 Posts: 1,803	The hand stack and bezel insert has me wondering. The font specifically... Yeah, I’d want proof of service and better pictures. I’ve never seen the crystal crown etching so easily.

23 July 2020, 02:09 PM	#7
Lesnerelli23 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Michigan Posts: 755	I just did an image search of that model along with other GMT Master II's and I didn't see any where the 24hr was bottom. It IS on my Squale with an ETA though. The ETA has quickset for the 24 unlike Rolex quicksets the hour hand... It's suspicious to me!

23 July 2020, 02:27 PM	#8
lamkinpark "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Malaysia Watch: 116515LN \| 124300 Posts: 287	Stay away, it is fake

23 July 2020, 04:25 PM	#11
Henrimontgomery "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Switzerland Watch: yourself Posts: 1,202	If you have doubts don’t buy. There’s so many of these anyway.

23 July 2020, 05:06 PM	#12
Blackdog "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 629	This one is easy: All GMTII with wrong handstack are fake. But mind you: Not all GMTII fakes have wrong handstack. It's a minefield.

24 July 2020, 12:13 AM	#14
watchnut100 SCUMBAG Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: uk Posts: 341	Hand stack is wrong so watch is wrong easy

24 July 2020, 01:10 AM	#16
Nikrnic "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2017 Real Name: Louis Nick Ric Location: Michigan, USA Watch: Blnr, Expll, Subs, Posts: 10,160	Here's my one owner F ser. late 2004 I purchased a year ago..24 hand between minute and hour. This was the hardest one I own to find the etched crown, a 10X loupe wouldn't show it. I was convinced it was replaced until I saw it under a microscope. With that hand stack the way it is you need to see the movement, i can't imagine the hands being able to be assembled randomly. Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk

24 July 2020, 02:28 AM	#19
jlabrego02 Banned Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Littleton Posts: 2	Its a fake. Common with reps. They cant get the hand stack correct because you're trying to build a complicated movement with $3 parts. But yes, some of them do have the CHS.

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