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Old 26 May 2019, 06:59 AM   #1
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Is this hallmark ok?

This is a rolex 18038 from 1978. Just realized there is a small "C" hallmark on the case back. Is it legit?
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Old 26 May 2019, 08:09 AM   #2
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The hallmark for gold will be in the back of the lugs as I can faintly see in your pictures. Most likely that C inside a square is a jeweler mark or a retailers mark. It was not put there by Rolex.
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Old 26 May 2019, 08:44 AM   #3
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The hallmark for gold will be in the back of the lugs as I can faintly see in your pictures. Most likely that C inside a square is a jeweler mark or a retailers mark. It was not put there by Rolex.
Thanks. Why would a jeweller or even retailers want to do that?
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Old 26 May 2019, 08:47 AM   #4
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Thanks. Why would a jeweller or even retailers want to do that?
Its a mystery. You see it all the time on gold jewelry too. Some of the marks are of known jewelers but most are unknown. I think its a calling card of sorts.
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Old 26 May 2019, 08:56 AM   #5
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This is a rolex 18038 from 1978. Just realized there is a small "C" hallmark on the case back. Is it legit?


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The hallmark for gold will be in the back of the lugs as I can faintly see in your pictures. Most likely that C inside a square is a jeweler mark or a retailers mark. It was not put there by Rolex.


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Thanks. Why would a jeweller or even retailers want to do that?


It’s no mystery, it’s an import Mark some countries require this


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Old 26 May 2019, 09:12 AM   #6
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It’s no mystery, it’s an import Mark some countries require this


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Why have we seen no other gold Rolex watches with these marks and gold Rolex watches are present in every country worldwide; yet domestic gold jewelry does have these marks which are known to be jeweler marks? Please show me another gold Rolex with such marks that are not hallmarks..

Here is a quick list that was compiled of mostly unknown and some known jewelers stamps.


ev UNIDENTIFIED
gr UNIDENTIFIED
.3 al UNIDENTIFIED
m within heart arrow UNIDENTIFIED
8c89 UNIDENTIFIED
I UNIDENTIFIED
4862 UNIDENTIFIED
jc UNIDENTIFIED
fl-e UNIDENTIFIED
6e arrow UNIDENTIFIED
2k UNIDENTIFIED
833 20 Karat Gold (UK)
a Adwar Casting Company
aaa UNIDENTIFIED
K G UNIDENTIFIED
cl UNIDENTIFIED
NV Nevada Silver Mine
U30 UNIDENTIFIED
544 UNIDENTIFIED
MW3X 75 UNIDENTIFIED
1k with a circle around it UNIDENTIFIED
316 L Stainless Steel
HT UNIDENTIFIED
MGD Mary Grace Design of Thailand
N11 UNIDENTIFIED
S417 UNIDENTIFIED
RS UNIDENTIFIED
ac24 UNIDENTIFIED
A170 UNIDENTIFIED
2HD443 UNIDENTIFIED
4C UNIDENTIFIED
C I UNIDENTIFIED
GW14 UNIDENTIFIED
SAI Sai Krishna (India)
D UNIDENTIFIED
BITA BITA Jewelry 309 West 7th Street, LA, CA
FL UNIDENTIFIED
CPI UNIDENTIFIED
N/C UNIDENTIFIED
111 UNIDENTIFIED
3HD673 UNIDENTIFIED
303 UNIDENTIFIED
SOB C S.O. Bigney Co. of Attleboro, Mass
nf Nickel Free
T B UNIDENTIFIED
… UNIDENTIFIED
4.215.556 UNIDENTIFIED
A & G UNIDENTIFIED
c7 UNIDENTIFIED
gc UNIDENTIFIED
CID Clyde Duneier, Inc. of New York
r d UNIDENTIFIED
292-034 UNIDENTIFIED
Pt Si UNIDENTIFIED
TOP UNIDENTIFIED
zc UNIDENTIFIED
AE UNIDENTIFIED
8179 UNIDENTIFIED
KMRFRLY UNIDENTIFIED
AJ MCH American Jewelry Manufacturing Company Holdings of NY
w-w-w-R UNIDENTIFIED
P45R UNIDENTIFIED
Clair-5 UNIDENTIFIED
rgf UNIDENTIFIED
RSG ready-set-go
spm UNIDENTIFIED
IA UNIDENTIFIED
JC UNIDENTIFIED
HDSY UNIDENTIFIED
3098669 UNIDENTIFIED
754 UNIDENTIFIED
L & L UNIDENTIFIED
AM UNIDENTIFIED
Rnod. cP. s/a UNIDENTIFIED
TT9 UNIDENTIFIED
AAA UNIDENTIFIED
114k UNIDENTIFIED
rs co. 25 UNIDENTIFIED
6825 UNIDENTIFIED
PFG UNIDENTIFIED
H and a heart symbol Hidalgo
cwec7925 UNIDENTIFIED
Fr.A.D. UNIDENTIFIED
11M UNIDENTIFIED
FOF UNIDENTIFIED
EX UNIDENTIFIED
AN UNIDENTIFIED
LX UNIDENTIFIED
PAD UNIDENTIFIED
kinlock Thomas Kinlock of Scotland
sj UNIDENTIFIED
CS UNIDENTIFIED
S & E UNIDENTIFIED
926 23 Karat Gold (China)
797 UNIDENTIFIED
LZ-2 UNIDENTIFIED
PWJ Paul Winston Jewelry Corp
f396 UNIDENTIFIED
79 cas UNIDENTIFIED
r; 1-7 UNIDENTIFIED
mk UNIDENTIFIED
vak UNIDENTIFIED
a & s Attwood & Sawyer of England
spcl UNIDENTIFIED
sts UNIDENTIFIED
chge UNIDENTIFIED
7ei UNIDENTIFIED
z545 UNIDENTIFIED
+grp UNIDENTIFIED
167ar UNIDENTIFIED
170 UNIDENTIFIED
40k UNIDENTIFIED
6810k UNIDENTIFIED
b 25 UNIDENTIFIED
927 UNIDENTIFIED
cls UNIDENTIFIED
tk316 Turk Stainless Steele
edco UNIDENTIFIED
elbe UNIDENTIFIED
g* UNIDENTIFIED
gc3 UNIDENTIFIED
rb © 2 UNIDENTIFIED
11.0 cg UNIDENTIFIED
rjco UNIDENTIFIED
pat UNIDENTIFIED
krn Kiran Jewelers, inc.
lind S.P. LINDWOLD
ldpl UNIDENTIFIED
gp 610 UNIDENTIFIED
cio UNIDENTIFIED
w.g UNIDENTIFIED
.1303 UNIDENTIFIED
tm 48 UNIDENTIFIED
dac UNIDENTIFIED
m8g UNIDENTIFIED
wctop UNIDENTIFIED
MAC UNIDENTIFIED
cc & g UNIDENTIFIED
gs1693c UNIDENTIFIED
J.E.D. UNIDENTIFIED
p4 sr. UNIDENTIFIED
WLIND UNIDENTIFIED
Her Majesty UNIDENTIFIED
13z UNIDENTIFIED
4K DOI UNIDENTIFIED
A209 UNIDENTIFIED
C-INV UNIDENTIFIED
c13 UNIDENTIFIED
m.e.g UNIDENTIFIED
ooo UNIDENTIFIED
MYG 50 UNIDENTIFIED
FT UNIDENTIFIED
D037 UNIDENTIFIED
PSC Plainville Stock Company
U8 UNIDENTIFIED
EG Eric Grossbardt of Asch Grossbardt
620 UNIDENTIFIED
P*M UNIDENTIFIED
HEC UNIDENTIFIED
sepad UNIDENTIFIED
R ccr UNIDENTIFIED
Star with an F inside UNIDENTIFIED
EMLK UNIDENTIFIED
FC Fiber Coating
A UNIDENTIFIED
WwW UNIDENTIFIED
Dollar Sign with a Circle UNIDENTIFIED
D UNIDENTIFIED
FAMOR UNIDENTIFIED
0909 or 6060 UNIDENTIFIED
OEP UNIDENTIFIED
555AB UNIDENTIFIED
JWBP UNIDENTIFIED
BL or 8L UNIDENTIFIED
Super AW UNIDENTIFIED
c with a Circle then A/C UNIDENTIFIED
Zz UNIDENTIFIED
F1 UNIDENTIFIED
CI UNIDENTIFIED
SA UNIDENTIFIED
BD UNIDENTIFIED
PS900 UNIDENTIFIED
TCW Total Carat Weight
103 G UNIDENTIFIED
9 nv UNIDENTIFIED
NW UNIDENTIFIED
SIERUNO UNIDENTIFIED
h.g.f. an arrow UNIDENTIFIED
NDI UNIDENTIFIED
NEM UNIDENTIFIED
1k Circular Stamp 18K (in Asia)
14E1 UNIDENTIFIED
CR UNIDENTIFIED
AGH UNIDENTIFIED
3443a or 3445a UNIDENTIFIED
Oro 2000 UNIDENTIFIED
IRSCO UNIDENTIFIED
IYC UNIDENTIFIED
GDM UNIDENTIFIED
ARS UNIDENTIFIED
800 80% Silver
GGP UNIDENTIFIED
Mi UNIDENTIFIED
BKJ UNIDENTIFIED
EC UNIDENTIFIED
NVC UNIDENTIFIED
H925 UNIDENTIFIED
B S D UNIDENTIFIED
LX UNIDENTIFIED
rsj4 24354 UNIDENTIFIED
A & C Angus and Coote
Wine Glass Symbol? UNIDENTIFIED
80 TH UNIDENTIFIED
cupid 10 UNIDENTIFIED
BZ UNIDENTIFIED
VIP CE UNIDENTIFIED
H < 01 UNIDENTIFIED
IBB and CN UNIDENTIFIED
TSG th UNIDENTIFIED
HCEG UNIDENTIFIED
C U UNIDENTIFIED
MRV UNIDENTIFIED
2B1 UNIDENTIFIED
Apple Symbol UNIDENTIFIED
R&K 825 UNIDENTIFIED
P.m UNIDENTIFIED
BETA UNIDENTIFIED
A.S. UNIDENTIFIED
2E UNIDENTIFIED
WD UNIDENTIFIED
32-70 UNIDENTIFIED
DTR UNIDENTIFIED
–> g UNIDENTIFIED
685 PD UNIDENTIFIED
GM Grahams
Z Zamels
MHJ Michael Hill Jewellers
TW Shields
ALE Pandora
bee Bee Jewellery
©B UNIDENTIFIED

Just to name a few and the list goes on and on and on…
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Old 28 May 2019, 11:52 AM   #7
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I never saw that as an "import" mark?
Surely not UK or EEC
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Import marks are pretty rare only a few countries (some European )required them and only for a short time period, not used in the uk, no Eu at the time this was occurring. Cheers


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Old 28 May 2019, 12:48 PM   #9
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Old 28 May 2019, 02:40 PM   #10
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Well, im still quite confident that the mark on the OPs watch is a jewelers mark and not an import mark.
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Old 30 May 2019, 03:39 AM   #11
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I took the watch to a service centre and I was told it probably was a mark the last owner put there, something like his initial
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Old 30 May 2019, 04:10 AM   #12
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I took the watch to a service centre and I was told it probably was a mark the last owner put there, something like his initial
More likely the jeweller store
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Old 23 July 2020, 07:33 AM   #13
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My day date 18038 from 1977 also has that C mark, in my case I have it on one of the back ears, it is the gold seal in South American countries, on my watch the origin was from Venezuela.
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Old 23 July 2020, 11:30 PM   #14
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Crowncollection is right, it’s an import stamp.
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Old 23 July 2020, 11:46 PM   #15
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Are Beyer Chronometrie internal codes legit? I always had my doubts on these. Like honestly, why would Beyer want to engrave [god awful fonts I might add] some queer code onto the back of lugs? Referencing or archival?

From google, found a PP 3466 and a 1675 that appeared with these codes and literature from Phillips.

https://www.phillipswatches.com/pate...ippe-ref-3466/

https://www.phillips.com/detail/rolex/CH080119/48

"The present watch is particularly noteworthy as the bottom of the lug is stamped with a Beyer number that is furthermore repeated on the guarantee, reinforcing scholarship that the storied retailer had stamped their watches with an internal code."
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My day date 18038 from 1977 also has that C mark, in my case I have it on one of the back ears, it is the gold seal in South American countries, on my watch the origin was from Venezuela.


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Crowncollection is right, it’s an import stamp.

Model depose excuse my French and lack of French grammar

Stands for registered design

https://en.bab.la/dictionary/french-...ationsdetails1


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Model depose excuse my French and lack of French grammar

Stands for registered design

https://en.bab.la/dictionary/french-...ationsdetails1


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Correct grammar


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I never saw that as an "import" mark?
Surely not UK or EEC
France for example recquired import stamps for decades.
I‘ve managed a jewellery store in Austria (not part of the EU back then)in the 1980s and every piece of precious metal received an import stamp at customs.

They even stamped AP RO‘s on the bezel ( and I am not kidding here).
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