Is this 16710 legit?

[mquarter]

I have the opportunity to buy a 16710 Y-serial that's said to be NOS. Could someone take a look at my photos and check for (a) authenticity and (b) any evidence of it having been worn or polished?

Dial: https://imgur.com/a/09Xgjpi
Case: https://imgur.com/a/LhaLeRp
Case back: https://imgur.com/a/JWQJl5R

[japenney]

Can you get a movement pic? Always good to play it safe.

[mquarter]

Originally Posted by japenney

Can you get a movement pic? Always good to play it safe.

I agree but as it's said to be NOS with a sticker on the back I doubt the seller would be willing to open it for me.

[DJ39]

I agree get the movement the pictures are not great for verification


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[khalifam]

Originally Posted by DJ39

I agree get the movement the pictures are not great for verification


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Always been curious... What if a seller just sent a real movement pic but then the one being sold was totally fake... Hmmmmmmmm

My opinion is go inspect the watch....

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[kbutler1]

Through a trusted seller? Given the current environment and inability to properly authenticate at an AD, I’d be hesitant to buy anything unless from a reputable seller or AD.

[ippon20]

Typically that clear caseback sticker with he red line is indicative of something that has had a polish. Could be the seller using it to protect the hologram, but I would be cautious.

[lamkinpark]

It doesn't look like NOS. bezel teeth look rounded, caseback sticker look used, Clasp coronet look polished.

[77T]

Originally Posted by mquarter

I have the opportunity to buy a 16710 Y-serial that's said to be NOS. Could someone take a look at my photos and check for (a) authenticity and (b) any evidence of it having been worn or polished?

Did you block out certain parts of 2 photo’s with white shapes yourself?
(Notes by red arrows)

If not, and the seller did that, then I wouldn’t proceed.


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[jerryguo]

the pics look fine to me, but if the price is too good to be true then it’s probably not. A mint used one full set can easily go 12k.


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[faimag]

It looks like a NOS to me.

[Tools]

Unless you are planning to put a 20 year old NOS watch into a museum, what would be the point in buying it unless it was at current market price.

Of course, I maintain that no watch can be NOS if it is on the secondary market... that isn't what NOS is.

[Macnavara]

Originally Posted by ippon20

Typically that clear caseback sticker with he red line is indicative of something that has had a polish. Could be the seller using it to protect the hologram, but I would be cautious.

I cant remember for sure but when i bought mine 20 yrs back im sure it had the model number on the case back sticker

[GLADIATOR]

Surely not NOS
It has a new "wear" sticker on the back - it did not come from ROLEX like that.
"wear" sticker and intact "hologram" is very suspicious to me
A

[antrolexsub]

Wow, nice find.

It’s clearly an unworn example.

If you don’t buy it OP, please PM me the sellers details.

[freefly]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Surely not NOS
It has a new "wear" sticker on the back - it did not come from ROLEX like that.
"wear" sticker and intact "hologram" is very suspicious to me
A

True. The wear sticker is not OEM, and if it was truly NOS and/or "unworn" then the reference number would still be intact on the hologram.
That said, it looks to be an extremely clean example, and probably as close to "NOS" as you are going to find out there.

[springer]

I would like to correct some misinformation being presented in this thread.

First off, the watch photos, while not the best, tend to depict a new, never worn watch. You can call it whatever you like, NOS, new-in-the-box, unworn...whatever suits you. It does appear to be unworn.

Next, for all those making comments about the clear case back sticker with the red stripe not being original or correct are mistaken or confused or both.

This is what the case back stickers looked like during this era - a green sticker covered by a clear sticker with a red stripe. I've owned several new watches from as early as 1999 and some later ones and they all had the regular green case back sticker along with the clear/red stripe sticker. The case back sticker appears correct on this GMT!

[springer]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Surely not NOS
It has a new "wear" sticker on the back - it did not come from ROLEX like that.
"wear" sticker and intact "hologram" is very suspicious to me
A

Sorry Glad - the clear/red stripe case back sticker is correct.

[springer]

Originally Posted by freefly

True. The wear sticker is not OEM, and if it was truly NOS and/or "unworn" then the reference number would still be intact on the hologram.
That said, it looks to be an extremely clean example, and probably as close to "NOS" as you are going to find out there.

The clear sticker is OEM!

[springer]

Originally Posted by mquarter

I have the opportunity to buy a 16710 Y-serial that's said to be NOS. Could someone take a look at my photos and check for (a) authenticity and (b) any evidence of it having been worn or polished?

Dial: https://imgur.com/a/09Xgjpi
Case: https://imgur.com/a/LhaLeRp
Case back: https://imgur.com/a/JWQJl5R

What's the price in U.S. dollars? That should offer a clue to your concerns.

[GGGMT]

Originally Posted by 77T

Did you block out certain parts of 2 photo’s with white shapes yourself?
(Notes by red arrows)

If not, and the seller did that, then I wouldn’t proceed.


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That’s Damn right.


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[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by springer

Sorry Glad - the clear/red stripe case back sticker is correct.

I did not think so.
If that was original then the model number on hologram would be intact, its not in my opinion.
Its worn - you should clearly be able to read model number
I am happy to admit I never purchased a ROLEX in the 70 or 80s
But I never saw a ROLEX with a HOLOGRAM and a "wear" strip original.

[77T]

Originally Posted by springer

The clear sticker is OEM!

John
Do you mean Rolex was applying transparent stickers on new watches on top of green holographic ones in 2002 timeframe?

I blew up the OP’s photo and rotated it.



That holographic image seems off to me. The alignment of the “X” letter in ROLEX doesn’t match this OEM one.



That clear sticker seems to be like the ones RSC uses after a service.


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[springer]

Originally Posted by 77T

John
Do you mean Rolex was applying transparent stickers on new watches on top of green holographic ones in 2002 timeframe?

I blew up the OP’s photo and rotated it.



That holographic image seems off to me. The alignment of the “X” letter in ROLEX doesn’t match this OEM one.



That clear sticker seems to be like the ones RSC uses after a service.


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New watches came with the clear sticker with the red stripe as detailed in my previous post. I have three of them now.

[77T]

Originally Posted by springer

Yes they were. I have three of them now.

OK - had never seen that before - that is, 2 stickers stacked.

My thought is OP needs to understand who he is dealing with judging from the pics with white block outs.


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[mquarter]

Thanks for your comments guys about the case back sticker.

I searched on C24 for unworn & NOS examples (eg of 16710, 14060, 16610lv around the same time) to see the case back sticker, the green holographic covered by a clear sticker with red line is common, so I don’t worry about it too much.

However is it a concern that there is no reference printed on the green sticker? I only found one other example of 16710 on C24 NOS that did not have the reference printed. I found a thread on this forum from 2009 where someone said of the two 16710 he owned, one had the reference number on the green sticker and one did not.

Originally Posted by 77T

OK - had never seen that before - that is, 2 stickers stacked.

My thought is OP needs to understand who he is dealing with judging from the pics with white block outs.


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Never mind the white spots, I edited those in.

[mquarter]

Originally Posted by springer

The clear sticker is OEM!

What’s the meaning of OEM in the context of watches?

[springer]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

I did not think so.
If that was original then the model number on hologram would be intact, its not in my opinion.
Its worn - you should clearly be able to read model number
I am happy to admit I never purchased a ROLEX in the 70 or 80s
But I never saw a ROLEX with a HOLOGRAM and a "wear" strip original.

I never said from the 70s or 80s. Because you haven't seen it before is no reason to come on here and call it incorrect. What kind of logic is that?

I didn't expect you to agree with me but don't call me wrong because you haven't seen it before. You have a reputation for making incorrect calls quite often.

[springer]

Originally Posted by mquarter

What’s the meaning of OEM in the context of watches?

Original Equipment

[springer]

Originally Posted by mquarter

Thanks for your comments guys about the case back sticker.

I searched on C24 for unworn & NOS examples (eg of 16710, 14060, 16610lv around the same time) to see the case back sticker, the green holographic covered by a clear sticker with red line is common, so I don’t worry about it too much.

However is it a concern that there is no reference printed on the green sticker? I only found one other example of 16710 on C24 NOS that did not have the reference printed. I found a thread on this forum from 2009 where someone said of the two 16710 he owned, one had the reference number on the green sticker and one did not.




Never mind the white spots, I edited those in.

No it is not a concern that the model number is not on the sticker. There was probably a transition period at some point when the model number was no longer found of the green case back sticker.

Here is a 2004 Submariner 16610LV with no model number on the green case back sticker..